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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 3:35:14 GMT
You people believes that God has fallen into the dream but I don't believe that. Everything is it's place already, birds are born with feather, nightly alarm goes off which states the stability of the world. If personal God destined it or everything is already in place which can't be questioned, I don't care but everything is stable. Common ground is ready for your individual experience to happen, no mistake would happen there. The whole issue is about who/what you are, and in that context you should care if there is a personal God. You say what you are is Consciousness, but apparently there is room for something else that is greater? I see two things here. 1)First of all things are necessary for our individual experience to happen perfectly placed 2)I am seeing how my clarity re shapes the unfolding experience. First one tells me there is force which is in control and second one tells me I have fallen into the dream. But since you completely locked with your ideas you can't see what I am pointing at. |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 27, 2019 21:12:57 GMT
The whole issue is about who/what you are, and in that context you should care if there is a personal God. You say what you are is Consciousness, but apparently there is room for something else that is greater? I see two things here. 1)First of all things are necessary for our individual experience to happen perfectly placed 2)I am seeing how my clarity re shapes the unfolding experience. First one tells me there is force which is in control and second one tells me I have fallen into the dream. But since you completely locked with your ideas you can't see what I am pointing at. In a way, they're both true, but firstly you have to realize there's just one thing going on here, (God Godding) so the 'you' to which you refer is God. Not in the form of a separate person, but literally God. So it is not wrong to say God has fallen into his own dream. It is no minor point as it is the source of suffering. Secondly, there is a fundamental Intelligence that transcends form. This also is God, but it is different from the human expression. This Intelligence is not a thinker/planner. It creates thought, but it does not think, so maybe the best way is to see it as creating from feeling. You (Gopal) are here because God Loves Life; IS Life. (Same reason the trees and birds are here) It does not exist in time, so everything is created NOW, with no planning for the future. It is whole, and creates only wholeness, and in this way 'every hair is counted' and all things are created as One and move as One. Creation informs the expression and the expression informs creation. We can see creation in it's pure expression in nature, which is why we are drawn to it. This has no other purpose than the expression of beauty and wonder and perfect harmony. We can also see creation in it's distorted form as seen though any and all forms that can experience it. If you dismiss these ideas as nonsense, as you have with similar posts of mine, I'll never bother to try to write about it again. I haven't included as much detail in the past because of my expectation you'll just dismiss it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 4:40:28 GMT
How come I am bringing my personal will and purpose to my new identity? Can you explain me? You often declare and imply a 'something' that functions with a purpose with regard to creation. You're not interested in defining what that is, but it must be you, right? The 'something' from which all other apparent things springs? I am not brining purpose for creation now. I am saying what I am looking at. The things which are needed for our individual experience is perfectly read when you arrive here, no mistake happens there(For an example, suddenly you wouldn't fly). So the God who can perfectly creates the individual experience makes some mistake while he creates your life by falling into the dream in your life doesn't make any sense at all. |
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Post by Enigma on Sept 5, 2019 18:55:28 GMT
You often declare and imply a 'something' that functions with a purpose with regard to creation. You're not interested in defining what that is, but it must be you, right? The 'something' from which all other apparent things springs? I am not brining purpose for creation now. I am saying what I am looking at. The things which are needed for our individual experience is perfectly read when you arrive here, no mistake happens there(For an example, suddenly you wouldn't fly). So the God who can perfectly creates the individual experience makes some mistake while he creates your life by falling into the dream in your life doesn't make any sense at all. This relates directly to the personal/impersonal creation discussion on the other thread. The totality of Consciousness does not fall into the dream. It's just a point of perception that forms within the dream, which is, of course, God. |
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Post by Figgles on Sept 5, 2019 21:26:31 GMT
I am not brining purpose for creation now. I am saying what I am looking at. The things which are needed for our individual experience is perfectly read when you arrive here, no mistake happens there(For an example, suddenly you wouldn't fly). So the God who can perfectly creates the individual experience makes some mistake while he creates your life by falling into the dream in your life doesn't make any sense at all. This relates directly to the personal/impersonal creation discussion on the other thread. The totality of Consciousness does not fall into the dream. It's just a point of perception that forms within the dream, which is, of course, God. Yes. An important point. I think that's what Gopal has never grasped re: 'falling into the dream.' |
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Post by Enigma on Sept 6, 2019 2:49:56 GMT
This relates directly to the personal/impersonal creation discussion on the other thread. The totality of Consciousness does not fall into the dream. It's just a point of perception that forms within the dream, which is, of course, God. Yes. An important point. I think that's what Gopal has never grasped re: 'falling into the dream.' Yeah, I think so. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 3:10:46 GMT
I am not brining purpose for creation now. I am saying what I am looking at. The things which are needed for our individual experience is perfectly read when you arrive here, no mistake happens there(For an example, suddenly you wouldn't fly). So the God who can perfectly creates the individual experience makes some mistake while he creates your life by falling into the dream in your life doesn't make any sense at all. This relates directly to the personal/impersonal creation discussion on the other thread. The totality of Consciousness does not fall into the dream. It's just a point of perception that forms within the dream, which is, of course, God. What is the meaning of totality of consciousness? Sum of all perceiving view point? If it is not sum of all view points, then what else exist other than view points? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 3:12:04 GMT
Nothing changed from my point of view. This is what I have been observing about everyone. Reefs,Andrew,Tenka and ZD. Then you're not paying attention. When you can't win over the argument, this is your usual statement. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 4:40:57 GMT
Then you're not paying attention. When you can't win over the argument, this is your usual statement. You nailed it! |
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Post by Enigma on Sept 6, 2019 20:31:31 GMT
This relates directly to the personal/impersonal creation discussion on the other thread. The totality of Consciousness does not fall into the dream. It's just a point of perception that forms within the dream, which is, of course, God. What is the meaning of totality of consciousness? Sum of all perceiving view point? If it is not sum of all view points, then what else exist other than view points? View point can't be said to exist, as such. They are viewpoints formed within that which exists, which is Consciousness. |
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