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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 15:15:14 GMT
Apparently, Gopal thinks he purposefully creates on the impersonal level of Consciousness. He has, conceptually, properly placed himself as this Consciousness, but has brought his ideas of personal will and purpose into his new identity. Once he fully understands the difference between personal and impersonal, he'll find he doesn't even have a new identity from which to launch a purpose. I think what many fail to see is that nonduality, realizing there is but One thingless/thing, does not preclude the possibility of an 'oversoul/entity/higher self' that has a stake/interest in the game. But even if that were the case, it's important to see that that would still be part and parcel of what is deemed 'personal' in relation to 'impersonal.' I get the sense that Gopal believes in a sort of 'soul/entity' that is inextricable from the appearing body/mind, encompasses it, but is still distinct in it's 'interests', but he is mistaking that for impersonal God/Source. The kensho crowd is doing essentially the same thing; They experience an energetic field of sorts that lies beyond what initially meets the eye, thus, they've conflated that energetic field with "________________". They've mistakingly attributed Truth to something that arises within experience. As I see it, an experienced field of energy or an experienced soul/higher self, although it could perhaps be deemed to be a 'middle layer' of sorts between personal/impersonal, between appearance and that which lies fundamental, is not actually in the 'middle' at all, rather, it's still of the realm of appearance, an 'arising within/to' that which lies fundamental. You people believes that God has fallen into the dream but I don't believe that. Everything is it's place already, birds are born with feather, nightly alarm goes off which states the stability of the world. If personal God destined it or everything is already in place which can't be questioned, I don't care but everything is stable. Common ground is ready for your individual experience to happen, no mistake would happen there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 15:40:30 GMT
Yeah, it's very important to notice those vestiges of thought that maintain the structure of purpose. I reckon that's a common place for peeps to start really breaking down when the dominoes start to tumble. The whole idea of lack of purpose seems to be a hard one to get past, even on these forums. Not sure why. I'm guessing it's for the same reason 'God falls into his own dream' goes over like a lead balloon. Peeps want there to be a stable foundation somewhere, even if it isn't a personal God. I see and talk but you assume and trying hard to maintain your idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 15:47:18 GMT
The whole idea of lack of purpose seems to be a hard one to get past, even on these forums. Not sure why. I'm guessing it's for the same reason 'God falls into his own dream' goes over like a lead balloon. Peeps want there to be a stable foundation somewhere, even if it isn't a personal God. Making mommy/daddy happy likely goes way waaaaaaay back into the psyche, so yeah, personal gods, purpose, pleasing others to feel pleased, etc. Children need some sense of foundation to mature into childhood, but often peeps forget to go the next leg into actual adulthood. Furthermore, most of the foundations to children these days seem to be infused throughout with their own parents' fears, suffering, etc, which i guess is what karma stuff is all about. Pfft, adult-aged kids these days! You are far away from the understanding about how universe works.
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Post by Enigma on Jul 14, 2019 15:49:09 GMT
Apparently, Gopal thinks he purposefully creates on the impersonal level of Consciousness. He has, conceptually, properly placed himself as this Consciousness, but has brought his ideas of personal will and purpose into his new identity. Once he fully understands the difference between personal and impersonal, he'll find he doesn't even have a new identity from which to launch a purpose. How come I am bringing my personal will and purpose to my new identity? Can you explain me? You often declare and imply a 'something' that functions with a purpose with regard to creation. You're not interested in defining what that is, but it must be you, right? The 'something' from which all other apparent things springs?
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Post by Figgles on Jul 14, 2019 15:56:05 GMT
I think what many fail to see is that nonduality, realizing there is but One thingless/thing, does not preclude the possibility of an 'oversoul/entity/higher self' that has a stake/interest in the game. But even if that were the case, it's important to see that that would still be part and parcel of what is deemed 'personal' in relation to 'impersonal.' I get the sense that Gopal believes in a sort of 'soul/entity' that is inextricable from the appearing body/mind, encompasses it, but is still distinct in it's 'interests', but he is mistaking that for impersonal God/Source. The kensho crowd is doing essentially the same thing; They experience an energetic field of sorts that lies beyond what initially meets the eye, thus, they've conflated that energetic field with "________________". They've mistakingly attributed Truth to something that arises within experience. As I see it, an experienced field of energy or an experienced soul/higher self, although it could perhaps be deemed to be a 'middle layer' of sorts between personal/impersonal, between appearance and that which lies fundamental, is not actually in the 'middle' at all, rather, it's still of the realm of appearance, an 'arising within/to' that which lies fundamental. You people believes that God has fallen into the dream but I don't believe that. Everything is it's place already, birds are born with feather, nightly alarm goes off which states the stability of the world. If personal God destined it or everything is already in place which can't be questioned, I don't care but everything is stable. Common ground is ready for your individual experience to happen, no mistake would happen there. I still don't think you are grasping what's meant by 'god falling into his own dream.' It just means that 'it's all God/Godding,' even an experience that is completely absent the realization that it is all God, that nothing is separate. "Delusion" is itself, God/Godding. The experience where one is completely lacking awareness OF God, of Oneness, is no less God/Godding than a moment of realization/awakening. There is no-thing, no state of being that is 'actually,' closer/farther away from God, even though it may very much appear/seem that way....It's ALL God/Godding...nothing is excluded....even suffering....even delusion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 15:57:02 GMT
I was not saying that this is created for a reason, If I have to assume that way, I would be falling into the speculation. I don't want to. I see how creation gets unfolded and writing here. When we see something clearly it changes the total story, you would not be witnessing the brutal story and remain calm. There is a fundamental, deeper sort of 'calm,' that abides even the stormiest of times. Even in the midst of a tumultuous circumstance, where the roller-coaster is dipping low and surface chaos abounds, the hearth of "Being" continues to abide, untouched by any of it. You don't know how funny you are! yes, really you are! May be that's the reason I like you very much!
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Post by Figgles on Jul 14, 2019 16:29:10 GMT
There is a fundamental, deeper sort of 'calm,' that abides even the stormiest of times. Even in the midst of a tumultuous circumstance, where the roller-coaster is dipping low and surface chaos abounds, the hearth of "Being" continues to abide, untouched by any of it. You don't know how funny you are! yes, really you are! May be that's the reason I like you very much! Funny? No, not so much as I see it. In a moment of being physically assaulted, that 'hearth of being' was at the forefront.....lying in a pool of sweat, after 14 hrs. of labor, with a little human's head popping out between my legs, I knew that hearth of being, standing before my dead brother's inert, cold body, saying goodbye to him, I knew that hearth of being. I was not devoid of emotion in those moments, nor was there an absence of engagement in what was happening, and yet, Being was at the forefront, which meant the present circumstances did not consume me or sweep me away. I remained grounded in Being...thus, grounded in Peace. Have you ever had a moment like that, where the present circumstances were what would generally be considered to be 'tumultuous,' in nature, and yet, you did not become lost to that?...a sense of quietude, peace, prevailed even though the dream circumstance had become somewhat 'dramatic'? I suspect you will tell me that the 'peace' I knew in those moments was itself part of the dream, but that would not be accurate because what I am describing is the peace of being, and Being itself is the foundation to the dream...the dream arises within/to Being....Being itself, does not arise/appear. It's the ground to all that arises/appears.
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Post by Enigma on Jul 14, 2019 23:41:47 GMT
I think what many fail to see is that nonduality, realizing there is but One thingless/thing, does not preclude the possibility of an 'oversoul/entity/higher self' that has a stake/interest in the game. But even if that were the case, it's important to see that that would still be part and parcel of what is deemed 'personal' in relation to 'impersonal.' I get the sense that Gopal believes in a sort of 'soul/entity' that is inextricable from the appearing body/mind, encompasses it, but is still distinct in it's 'interests', but he is mistaking that for impersonal God/Source. The kensho crowd is doing essentially the same thing; They experience an energetic field of sorts that lies beyond what initially meets the eye, thus, they've conflated that energetic field with "________________". They've mistakingly attributed Truth to something that arises within experience. As I see it, an experienced field of energy or an experienced soul/higher self, although it could perhaps be deemed to be a 'middle layer' of sorts between personal/impersonal, between appearance and that which lies fundamental, is not actually in the 'middle' at all, rather, it's still of the realm of appearance, an 'arising within/to' that which lies fundamental. You people believes that God has fallen into the dream but I don't believe that. Everything is it's place already, birds are born with feather, nightly alarm goes off which states the stability of the world. If personal God destined it or everything is already in place which can't be questioned, I don't care but everything is stable. Common ground is ready for your individual experience to happen, no mistake would happen there. The whole issue is about who/what you are, and in that context you should care if there is a personal God. You say what you are is Consciousness, but apparently there is room for something else that is greater?
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Post by Enigma on Jul 14, 2019 23:48:08 GMT
The whole idea of lack of purpose seems to be a hard one to get past, even on these forums. Not sure why. I'm guessing it's for the same reason 'God falls into his own dream' goes over like a lead balloon. Peeps want there to be a stable foundation somewhere, even if it isn't a personal God. I see and talk but you assume and trying hard to maintain your idea. You logically deduce things from your experience. I know that logic and experience are not to be trusted. Ideas are not to be trusted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 3:31:33 GMT
I see and talk but you assume and trying hard to maintain your idea. You logically deduce things from your experience. I know that logic and experience are not to be trusted. Ideas are not to be trusted. Mind is creating the reality and influences the unfolding reality. We can definitely see that. So I am seeing how mind creates the unfolding experience.
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