Andrew
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Post by Andrew on May 23, 2023 21:50:49 GMT
Yeah, surely a spiritual forum should be the last bastion of spontaneity/authenticity, seems a bit weird that the forum crumbled in about 20 seconds  I guess it's just the novelty factor, and that will wear off pretty fast for most. I was pondering this odd fascination yesterday and it occurred to me that some folks seem to be regarding ChatAI as though it were some kind of "oracle" that is accessing info. beyond the so called normal sphere of relative info...almost as though it has paranormal nature....and then about a half an hour ago, JLY posted this in response to the question of accuracy as to an answer he received...which seems to confirm that there is perhaps indeed some degree of that 'erroneous' assignation of 'beyond/other-wordly' going on....   Oh my...how perfect is that! Synch!! Haha that's hilarious, I didn't even notice the synch when I said it! |
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Post by Andrew on May 23, 2023 21:52:14 GMT
JLY: You just posted this pic in answer to Ina's suggestion that the chat-bot answer came up short; Interesting enough, this provides somewhat of an analogy to what some are erroneously doing re: AI/chat-bot Q & A's. I know as a kid, while I knew darned well the 'magic 8 ball,' had a limited number of answers it could give, I was nonetheless, generally still thrilled how whatever questions was asked, the answer that came up in the little window, seemed to sort of 'magically' provide an answer. There was a leaning towards accepting whatever answer arose, even it didn't align with what I'd previously thought might arise, as it came from an apparent source that was beyond so called "Normal" means of knowing. The whole chat-bot thing is actually very similar with those who are in awe and who are glorifying it, as you kind of seem to be doing. A similarity is that The 'data-base' by which a question can be provided is of course much, much larger than the 8 ball, however, similarly, it still has it's limits. Just as as kids there was a sort of 'wanting' to accredit the magic 8 ball with true magic powers to provide transcendent/other-worldly knowing re: the answers we asked of it, I think with some there is that bent towards the whole AI/chat-bot thing as well. If you look closely though, the answers provided by chat-bots are even less 'magical' than an 8 ball toy....at least with the 8 ball, there is a degree of relative/apparent random/chance...whereas with the chat-bot AI, there is a program in play that dictates the data that will apply. Just because the chat-bot is able to provide meaningful answers to human questions via a means that seems "different/unusual" does not mean that that info. is somehow more trustworthy than what an average person might come up with. It is after all human knowledge that programmed the AI. yep, if I want life guidance, I'd go to the 8 ball lol......the chatbot has been programmed by people with beliefs, and we have no idea if those people are sociopaths! |
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Post by Figgles on May 23, 2023 22:02:02 GMT
JLY: You just posted this pic in answer to Ina's suggestion that the chat-bot answer came up short; Interesting enough, this provides somewhat of an analogy to what some are erroneously doing re: AI/chat-bot Q & A's. I know as a kid, while I knew darned well the 'magic 8 ball,' had a limited number of answers it could give, I was nonetheless, generally still thrilled how whatever questions was asked, the answer that came up in the little window, seemed to sort of 'magically' provide an answer. There was a leaning towards accepting whatever answer arose, even it didn't align with what I'd previously thought might arise, as it came from an apparent source that was beyond so called "Normal" means of knowing. The whole chat-bot thing is actually very similar with those who are in awe and who are glorifying it, as you kind of seem to be doing. A similarity is that The 'data-base' by which a question can be provided is of course much, much larger than the 8 ball, however, similarly, it still has it's limits. Just as as kids there was a sort of 'wanting' to accredit the magic 8 ball with true magic powers to provide transcendent/other-worldly knowing re: the answers we asked of it, I think with some there is that bent towards the whole AI/chat-bot thing as well. If you look closely though, the answers provided by chat-bots are even less 'magical' than an 8 ball toy....at least with the 8 ball, there is a degree of relative/apparent random/chance...whereas with the chat-bot AI, there is a program in play that dictates the data that will apply. Just because the chat-bot is able to provide meaningful answers to human questions via a means that seems "different/unusual" does not mean that that info. is somehow more trustworthy than what an average person might come up with. It is after all human knowledge that programmed the AI. yep, if I want life guidance, I'd go to the 8 ball lol......the chatbot has been programmed by people with beliefs, and we have no idea if those people are sociopaths! haha....you perfectly & succinctly said in one line what I tried to say in my text-wall! |
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Post by Figgles on May 23, 2023 23:28:22 GMT
& appreciate you being able to put aside our disagreements to find something to appreciate!...that's what I'm talkin' about! Thank you. Again, a testament to that ability to disagree re: spiritual views but still keep an open mind.  A wonderfully astute summation. ...."a glorified screwdriver".....perfect.   |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on May 24, 2023 0:10:28 GMT
Some clear, warm spring morning, in the woods, listen to the birdsong.  Really listen. From what I can tell scientists in the past have dismissed it as just mating calls or other simplistic signalling, if even that. But. Man. Some of that stuff is complicated! Intricate! Sometimes, some of it, they're sayin' something! Nice. I don't have any woods conveniently nearby, but we are fairly out in the countryside, and the birds can get very chatty, next time I notice that, I'm going to pay very close attention. This time of year in Scotland is fantastic for nature watching/interaction, coz all the lambs and calves are in the fields, and they haven't yet learned that they should be cautious of humans. There's a spot I drive to, to see a particular bunch of calves, and if they see my car from a distance, they will come to the fence to say hello. That stuff keeps me sane |
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Post by Figgles on May 24, 2023 17:14:46 GMT
Why AI isn’t an oracle of truthby Adam Lee Apr 10, 2023 onlysky.media/alee/why-ai-isnt-an-oracle-of-truth/"AI is getting scarily good. But there are some things it’s still bad at. ChatGPT and other AI chatbots have raised the bar for what computers can do. They can write poems, song lyrics, movie scripts or code. They can respond to natural-language queries in fluent prose. It wasn’t long before tech companies saw the possibilities. Why not train a chatbot on the entire internet? It could be the next evolution of search technology. Instead of a search engine that just lists relevant web pages, you’d have a superintelligent robot librarian that can answer any question you put to it. They wanted a digital librarian but got a digital liar." "These chatbots were supposed to be oracles containing the sum total of human knowledge. Instead, they’re silver-tongued liars spouting falsehoods with inhuman confidence. How did this dazzling technology go so disastrously wrong?"
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Post by Figgles on May 25, 2023 1:59:03 GMT
Oh yeah, so sorry about that JLY...arriving at your home last night, dragging ya out of your deepest slumber, taser in hand as I applied it to your tender bits to force you to engage in dharma combat, against your will. Seriously dude, if you're truly feeling a deep degree of butt-hurt over my address of your ST posts here, that truly IS an opportunity to go deeper...perhaps see something important. You are grossly mischaracterizing the situation... It's ridiculous. While it is true, rising to direct challenge of views while participating in a discussion that supposedly has pursuit of Truth at it's crux, IS important, AND, is an indicator of the presence of true sincerity, I am not an advocate of "forcing" anyone to ever act against their will. If you truly don't want to engage, don't engage. No one is forcing you. |
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Post by Figgles on May 25, 2023 2:11:38 GMT
Now...apply that to yourself. You clearly think I'm out of line in re-posting from ST and addressing those posts here. I disagree wholeheartedly and am not going to change a darned thing and I think that's well and obvious. Doesn't that mean your "do-gooderism is really self-serving"? |
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Post by Figgles on May 25, 2023 2:15:33 GMT
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Post by Figgles on May 25, 2023 2:17:57 GMT
So lemme guess...? You "realized" that you are victim who is being forced to engage in dharma combat against your will? |
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I guess it's just the novelty factor, and that will wear off pretty fast for most. 
Really listen. From what I can tell scientists in the past have dismissed it as just mating calls or other simplistic signalling, if even that. But. Man. Some of that stuff is complicated! Intricate! Sometimes, some of it, they're sayin' something!