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Post by Figgles on Jul 11, 2022 8:47:09 GMT
This is incredible. You really don't seem to grasp that appearances can appear and evoke interest/engagement and there can also be a seeing from beyond in tandem with that, that illuminates the Truth of it all. The two exist paradoxically but without all the psychological nonsense attached to the ‘me’. Nothing really changes and everything. Yes! |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 11, 2022 15:54:34 GMT
Yes, similarly, awareness of the appearance of the world is not the awareness of the world. The content of the arising/appearing dream is being mistaken for evidence of that arising content, itself, being aware. That would mean that anything/any object thing you are aware of, is also then aware of stuff that appears to/within it.
Andrew, this might help: The "you" that Satchi is positing as 'aware of content,' is not the appearing character/person. In Truth/actuality, the appearing character is itself empty, arising/appearing content....empty of inherent existence. The person is an appearance arising within/to awareness itself. That which is aware is not actually a some-thing/some-one/entity.
Relatively speaking, people are aware...conscious, having an individuated experience, but SR puts all that in place.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 11, 2022 16:51:01 GMT
While CC may indeed be life changing, that 'change' is not even in the same ballpark as the shift that is SR. A CC can indeed change the way we look at life, but that looking/seeing is still mired 'in the story/dream,' unless the shift of SR has happened.
Mystical experiences changes the way life is regarded/looked at...but the looker/seer as the locus of seeing, is still with the appearing person/character. Whereas the shift that is SR, transcends all appearance, illuminating even the most mystical of experiences/appearances as "empty appearance only," completely devoid of inherent existence/Truth, arising dependently, within/to the abiding/unbounded.
A CC/Kensho is dangerous in the sense that more often than not, it derails clarity.....hobbles grace....turns locus of seeing back into the dream-scape. The awe-inspiring nature of a mystical experience that seems to be "otherworldly"...or "beyond normal experience," usually means it's assigned an importance that it simply does not have in terms of realizing Truth.
The Truth is not mystical...nor is it something that arises in experiences. To know "Truth," seeing must shift to prior to/beyond ALL experiential content...even those amazing, mystical CC/Kensho experiences.
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Post by Esponja on Jul 12, 2022 0:19:50 GMT
Yes, similarly, awareness of the appearance of the world is not the awareness of the world. The content of the arising/appearing dream is being mistaken for evidence of that arising content, itself, being aware. That would mean that anything/any object thing you are aware of, is also then aware of stuff that appears to/within it. Andrew, this might help: The "you" that Satchi is positing as 'aware of content,' is not the appearing character/person. In Truth/actuality, the appearing character is itself empty, arising/appearing content....empty of inherent existence. The person is an appearance arising within/to awareness itself. That which is aware is not actually a some-thing/some-one/entity. Relatively speaking, people are aware...conscious, having an individuated experience, but SR puts all that in place. Here’s an experiment. Are you aware of your thumb? Is your thumb aware of you? Are you aware of your thoughts? Are your thoughts aware of you? Try it for everything. It’s unknowable. |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 16, 2022 5:19:53 GMT
And...there is a seeing that even dissolves that sense that that which is appearing is doing so to "a me".....or at least 'reframes' it.....and then, aything appearing is just appearing in/to non=-personal consciousness/awareness...the abiding ground within which all perceivables arise...nothin personal goin' on at all. (Fuck..I have glue-on....loooong nails for my daughters gr. 12 grad photo shoot....they are making typing...lets just say.....challenging..  )  |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 16, 2022 7:15:31 GMT
Yup. That's it. But hey man...it's a "really, really, amazing, awe-inspiring, life-changing" piece of candy!  Indeedy-do, Reefs is selling a very special, mystical, woo-woo experience. Those are the ones that go hand in hand with deep attachment and further seeking for MORE of 'em.  |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 16, 2022 7:23:51 GMT
Where the hell did you come up with the idea that to see an appearing thing as "empty, appearance only," equals seeing that appearing thing as "separate" from Self? This here is your delusion/confusion. You are clinging to it like a burr on a wool sweater all because your damned ego is so big and needy to win each and every argument on these forums. You wanted to "win" so bad, that you became moderator of the forum so you could control and ban/delete the voices that argued against you. You are a tyrant and you are presently in good company. The world though, is waking up to your kind.....enjoy it while you still can. 
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Post by Figgles on Jul 16, 2022 7:26:07 GMT
 None of that means that you know for absolute certain that the mountain is perceiving/experiencing,
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Post by Figgles on Jul 16, 2022 17:11:15 GMT
I have also had many similar experiences throughout the years, beginning when I was quite young, all the way up to present. I can recall them in great detail, even though some happened so many years ago.
The absence of itself of self-reference, is not "the experiential content" per se. Rather the absence gets noted within experience for what is not there (that which is usually there)...it's only through that comparison that it can be said, 'mind was quiet'...absence of self-referential thought, not there as it generally is.
The sense of peace that remained present, again, NOT the absence itself.
Why is it so important to see the difference between realization/absence vs. the presence of something experiential?
Unless and until that distinction is clearly, concisely and directly seen/known, plain and simply 'dream content' still has you under it's spell.....you are not actually 'free/liberated.'
Partial liberation is a nonsense. It may 'seem as though' you are free, but thinking/believing you are free is something entirely different than the actuality of freedom. The dream in it's entirety must be transcended to be truly free of it.
(Fwiw, not suggesting that you are only partially liberated....just using your post to wax on further about the importance of not conflating experiential content with realization/absence/seeing through.)
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Post by Figgles on Jul 16, 2022 17:34:41 GMT
You cannot know that which you have no reference for. However, you leave no room at all for the possibility that there IS a shift in perspective that you've simply no reference for yet.
I assure you, there IS such a shift in seeing...it removes the locus of seeing from the erroneous position of 'seeing through the eyes of an entity/person,' and the locus of seeing moves to "beyond/prior to" ALL experiential content...beyond the entire world of things, including the me character, including the you character are all then clearly seen to be appearing/arising within/to that seeing/awareness that is 'prior to/beyond' it all.
There is still the appearance of the me character, complete with 'personal' senses, thoughts, feelings, bodily sensations, etc, but all of that is now couched within the greater seeing/non-defined 'locus' of seeing that is 'beyond/prior to the appearing body/person.
When this shift to non-defined locus/posion-less position of seeing is abiding/unwavering.....the entire gamut of "experiential content/perceivables," appears/arises within/to that. Some, like yourself, with no reference for this shift in seeing have erroneously imagined that life then must become 'less interesting, denigrated, not important,' but that is not so at all. If anything, absent the false/erroneous/mistake of taking yourself to be seeing through the body/eyes/locus of a something appearing in the dream, life/experience is seen as a miracle of sorts.
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Indeedy-do, Reefs is selling a very special, mystical, woo-woo experience. Those are the ones that go hand in hand with deep attachment and further seeking for MORE of 'em. 
