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Post by Figgles on Jul 11, 2022 7:39:27 GMT
The two of you are making the mistake of singling out specifically the appearance of perceiving others from the totality of the appearing world of experiential content.
All of it is empty and devoid of Truth....empty of inherent existence. All that is known about an appearance is that when it's appearing, it's appearing and that it's temporal appearance is completely and totally dependent upon the abiding ground from which is arises...no separation, but the appearance is devoid of it's own inherent existence.
The story is of people who experience and perceive....that's a facet of the story that continues to compel engagement and interest even after seeing through the entire story content...seeing it ALL as empty.
I think you've spoken of seeing through the illusion of Time.....ever check a clock still...or a watch?
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Post by Figgles on Jul 11, 2022 7:45:05 GMT
Relatively speaking, that's the story...the experience....people having individual points of view...interacting...one reporting to another. But SR reveals all appearance to be empty...to be appearing/arising within/to awareness.
The experience of being a person who engages with other persons continues on post SR, it's just that now, the locus of seeing is from beyond that experiential 'me character,'.....both the me character and the other are appearance only....devoid of inherent existence.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 11, 2022 7:48:13 GMT
This is incredible. You really don't seem to grasp that appearances can appear and evoke interest/engagement and there can also be a seeing from beyond in tandem with that, that illuminates the Truth of it all.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 11, 2022 8:00:53 GMT
If we are talking Truth, (I am...are you?) it's the difference between 'empty appearance only/experiential/dream content,' vs. Truth.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 11, 2022 8:12:35 GMT
Damn dude...that was good. Okay...I'll share....
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Post by Figgles on Jul 11, 2022 8:16:26 GMT
Jordan Peterson is a psychologist. His talks are about mind, not seeing 'beyond/prior to' mind. You are confusing psychology/self-help with Nonduality/Truth.
The mind's inherent desire to find meaning is "of the mind." Nonduality/Truth deals with seeing that is prior to/beyond mind.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 11, 2022 8:20:55 GMT
These conversations are soooo revealing!
Does the fact that the word "me" got used there several times proves your point that he 'knows for absolute certain' that an appearance is something more than just an appearance?
how the heck can you know the difference between one who engages an appearance, realizing it as appearance only, thus empty, vs. one who knows for absolute certain that the appearance is something more than that?
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Post by Figgles on Jul 11, 2022 8:22:39 GMT
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Post by Esponja on Jul 11, 2022 8:43:28 GMT
Niz: "Is there a world outside your knowledge? Can you go beyond what you know? You may postulate a world beyond the mind, but it will remain a concept, unproved and unprovable. Your experience is your proof, and it is valid for you only. Who else can have your experience, when the other person is only as real as he appears in your experience?" How would you decipher the difference between one who interacted as though there were 'actual' perceivers, vs. interacting as though there were simply "apparent perceivers"? Nothing in the dream is actual...nothing has inherent existence in it's own right.and yet still...the story content/appearance, continues to compel interaction. Amazing hey? Your biggest problem is that you are singling out the appearance of perceiving people from all other appearance. You used to be fine with the idea of the world as an empty appearance. Even people! What happened? Wtf is going on over there? π
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Post by Esponja on Jul 11, 2022 8:45:17 GMT
This is incredible. You really don't seem to grasp that appearances can appear and evoke interest/engagement and there can also be a seeing from beyond in tandem with that, that illuminates the Truth of it all. The two exist paradoxically but without all the psychological nonsense attached to the βmeβ. Nothing really changes and everything.
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