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Post by Gopal on May 31, 2022 7:29:44 GMT
You = Impersonal Awareness. No. "You/me" is an erroneous personalization of Impersonal awareness. Ultimately, the "I" gets transcended in SR/awakening. Where impersonal awareness is equated with "You/I/me" there's been an erroneous identification with impersonal awareness, which means it's been erroneously conceptualized as a some-thing...when it's actually beyond any and all conceptualization. I don't know how am I going to save her from the illusion you have recently fallen into. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2022 7:30:41 GMT
She is playing a word play. Would like to talk something differently but she is not understanding that that is not going to add any value to it. It's NOT word-play. I am pointing to the absence of "me/I" inherent to impersonal awareness. The ground to all appearance, is not a conceptual something that can be identified with as "me/I." Where there is identification, you can rest assured, there's not yet been realization of the true 'ground' to all appearance. What's happened is you've mistaken something that is appearing as the ground/your-self. So long as there is still a 'me sense' inherent to what you think is the ground, you've not yet accessed/realized the ground. The 'me sense' arises/appears within/to the ground. The ground is absent a me sense...absent I/personalization. To use a very popular phrase these days, you are spreading misinformation. The sense of me and ground coexist simultaneously without a difference. That is what SR is. To say there is no sense of me is nonsense. |
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Post by Gopal on May 31, 2022 7:31:58 GMT
It's NOT word-play. I am pointing to the absence of "me/I" inherent to impersonal awareness. The ground to all appearance, is not a conceptual something that can be identified with as "me/I." Where there is identification, you can rest assured, there's not yet been realization of the true 'ground' to all appearance. What's happened is you've mistaken something that is appearing as the ground/your-self. So long as there is still a 'me sense' inherent to what you think is the ground, you've not yet accessed/realized the ground. The 'me sense' arises/appears within/to the ground. The ground is absent a me sense...absent I/personalization. To use a very popular phrase these days, you are spreading misinformation. The sense of me and ground coexist simultaneously without a difference. That is what SR is. To say there is no sense of me is nonsense. Yes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2022 7:32:09 GMT
You = Impersonal Awareness. No. "You/me" is an erroneous personalization of Impersonal awareness. Ultimately, the "I" gets transcended in SR/awakening. Where impersonal awareness is equated with "You/I/me" there's been an erroneous identification with impersonal awareness, which means it's been erroneously conceptualized as a some-thing...when it's actually beyond any and all conceptualization. You are right, the I gets transcended and becomes no different to the Self. That is quite different to what you are implying. |
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Post by Figgles on May 31, 2022 7:34:52 GMT
I don't know how am I going to save her from the illusion she has recently fallen into. This seeing/realization I am pointing to, is not recent. I've been saying this for a long time now. All "identification" ceases in SR....even with awareness itself. There is simply impersonal awareness and all else arises within/to that. All 'me sense/identification' is within the dream-scape...an appearance. |
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Post by Figgles on May 31, 2022 7:36:48 GMT
It's NOT word-play. I am pointing to the absence of "me/I" inherent to impersonal awareness. The ground to all appearance, is not a conceptual something that can be identified with as "me/I." Where there is identification, you can rest assured, there's not yet been realization of the true 'ground' to all appearance. What's happened is you've mistaken something that is appearing as the ground/your-self. So long as there is still a 'me sense' inherent to what you think is the ground, you've not yet accessed/realized the ground. The 'me sense' arises/appears within/to the ground. The ground is absent a me sense...absent I/personalization. To use a very popular phrase these days, you are spreading misinformation. The sense of me and ground coexist simultaneously without a difference. That is what SR is. To say there is no sense of me is nonsense.I did not say that. Yes, there is a sense of me...an apparent person...that's what the figgles character is.... but like all 'senses" that one too is an arising appearance within/to the impersonal ground of awareness. |
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Post by Gopal on May 31, 2022 7:37:12 GMT
No. "You/me" is an erroneous personalization of Impersonal awareness. Ultimately, the "I" gets transcended in SR/awakening. Where impersonal awareness is equated with "You/I/me" there's been an erroneous identification with impersonal awareness, which means it's been erroneously conceptualized as a some-thing...when it's actually beyond any and all conceptualization. You are right, the I gets transcended and becomes no different to the Self. That is quite different to what you are implying. Equating Impersonal Awareness to I is not erroneous identification. It's the correct identification. |
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Post by Gopal on May 31, 2022 7:39:21 GMT
To use a very popular phrase these days, you are spreading misinformation. The sense of me and ground coexist simultaneously without a difference. That is what SR is. To say there is no sense of me is nonsense.I did not say that. Yes, there is a sense of me...an apparent person...that's what the figgles character is.... but like all 'senses" that one too is an arising appearance within/to the impersonal ground of awareness. Impersonal is not sending someone to feel the sense of me. Impersonal itself is the perceiver and the one who feels the sense of I. |
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Post by Figgles on May 31, 2022 7:41:21 GMT
You are right, the I gets transcended and becomes no different to the Self. That is quite different to what you are implying. Equating Impersonal Awareness to I is not erroneous identification. It's the correct identification. When it comes to being free, in liberation, there is no "correct" identification. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2022 7:41:27 GMT
To use a very popular phrase these days, you are spreading misinformation. The sense of me and ground coexist simultaneously without a difference. That is what SR is. To say there is no sense of me is nonsense.I did not say that. Yes, there is a sense of me...an apparent person...that's what the figgles character is.... but like all 'senses" that one too is an arising appearance within/to the impersonal ground of awareness. Why do you need to be an apparent person or have a name to have a sense of me? Do you have a sense of me when there is no thought in your mind about who you are what you are where you've been who you know what you do etc. When you open your eyes after sleep and before a single thought enters your head do you know who you are. Do you have a sense of me before all those thoughts come flooding in. |
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