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Post by Figgles on May 31, 2022 7:16:47 GMT
Now you're doing the Jeff Foster, Brown-bear thing...denying the relative...denying appearance. Not necessary. No that's what you are doing otherwise you wouldn't have said that I'm referring to you as the personal when I refer to appearances appearing to you. But in your reply here you're telling a different story. There's no need to deny the relative you say. Okay. So tell me who these appearances are appearing to.No one/No-thing. The ground of awareness is not "A" something...not "A" someone. It's impersonal. All persons, arise/appear withing/to that impersonal ground. |
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Post by Gopal on May 31, 2022 7:17:28 GMT
Anything at all that is a facet of experience is appearance only. Both Figgles and Stach are appearances within the story. All appearances are non-separate arisings/expressions to/within awareness. They're not appearing to the story they are appearing to you. Why are you so afraid to say that, that they appear to YOU. She is playing a word play. Would like to talk something differently but she is not understanding that that is not going to add any value to it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2022 7:18:37 GMT
No that's what you are doing otherwise you wouldn't have said that I'm referring to you as the personal when I refer to appearances appearing to you. But in your reply here you're telling a different story. There's no need to deny the relative you say. Okay. So tell me who these appearances are appearing to.No one/No-thing. The ground of awareness is not "A" something...not "A" someone. It's impersonal. All persons, arise/appear withing/to that impersonal ground. You're completely wacky aren't you?  |
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Post by Figgles on May 31, 2022 7:18:52 GMT
Anything at all that is a facet of experience is appearance only. Both Figgles and Stach are appearances within the story. All appearances are non-separate arisings/expressions to/within awareness. They're not appearing to the story they are appearing to you. Why are you so afraid to say that, that they appear to YOU. I never said appearances appear TO "the story." The story is comprised OF appearances...of happenings....things/objects, thoughts, circumstance, etc. The "you" is itself an appearance within impersonal consciousness. It's a delusion to personalize that. |
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Post by Gopal on May 31, 2022 7:19:42 GMT
No one/No-thing. The ground of awareness is not "A" something...not "A" someone. It's impersonal. All persons, arise/appear withing/to that impersonal ground. You're completely wacky aren't you?  Clearly so  |
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Post by Figgles on May 31, 2022 7:23:30 GMT
They're not appearing to the story they are appearing to you. Why are you so afraid to say that, that they appear to YOU. She is playing a word play. Would like to talk something differently but she is not understanding that that is not going to add any value to it. It's NOT word-play. I am pointing to the absence of "me/I" inherent to impersonal awareness. The ground to all appearance, is not a conceptual something that can be identified with as "me/I." Where there is identification, you can rest assured, there's not yet been realization of the true 'ground' to all appearance. What's happened is you've mistaken something that is appearing as the ground/your-self. So long as there is still a 'me sense' inherent to what you think is the ground, you've not yet accessed/realized the ground. The 'me sense' arises/appears within/to the ground. The ground is absent a me sense...absent I/personalization. |
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Post by Gopal on May 31, 2022 7:25:08 GMT
She is playing a word play. Would like to talk something differently but she is not understanding that that is not going to add any value to it. It's NOT word-play. I am pointing to the absence of "me/I" inherent to impersonal awareness. The ground to all appearance, is not a conceptual something that can be identified with as "me/I." Where there is identification, you can rest assured, there's not yet been realization of the true 'ground' to all appearance. What's happened is you've mistaken something that is appearing as the ground/your-self. So long as there is still a 'me sense' inherent to what you think is the ground, you've not yet accessed/realized the ground. The 'me sense' arises/appears within/to the ground. The ground is absent a me sense...absent I/personalization. You = Impersonal Awareness. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2022 7:27:40 GMT
It's NOT word-play. I am pointing to the absence of "me/I" inherent to impersonal awareness. The ground to all appearance, is not a conceptual something that can be identified with as "me/I." Where there is identification, you can rest assured, there's not yet been realization of the true 'ground' to all appearance. What's happened is you've mistaken something that is appearing as the ground/your-self. So long as there is still a 'me sense' inherent to what you think is the ground, you've not yet accessed/realized the ground. The 'me sense' arises/appears within/to the ground. The ground is absent a me sense...absent I/personalization. You = Impersonal Awareness. You beat me to it. |
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Post by Figgles on May 31, 2022 7:28:33 GMT
It's NOT word-play. I am pointing to the absence of "me/I" inherent to impersonal awareness. The ground to all appearance, is not a conceptual something that can be identified with as "me/I." Where there is identification, you can rest assured, there's not yet been realization of the true 'ground' to all appearance. What's happened is you've mistaken something that is appearing as the ground/your-self. So long as there is still a 'me sense' inherent to what you think is the ground, you've not yet accessed/realized the ground. The 'me sense' arises/appears within/to the ground. The ground is absent a me sense...absent I/personalization. You = Impersonal Awareness. No. "You/me" is an erroneous personalization of Impersonal awareness. Ultimately, the "I" gets transcended in SR/awakening. Where impersonal awareness is equated with "You/I/me" there's been an erroneous identification with impersonal awareness, which means it's been erroneously conceptualized as a some-thing...when it's actually beyond any and all conceptualization. |
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Post by Gopal on May 31, 2022 7:28:56 GMT
You = Impersonal Awareness. You beat me to it. I don't know how am I going to save her from the illusion she has recently fallen into. |
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