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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 14:06:37 GMT
Only if you believe you know what that thing is. If you don't know, then there is no ego to relate it to. Sent from my SM-G903W using Tapatalk You have to relate what you are to something self identified . It doesn't matter if a peep knows what a peep is, or what a human is or what consciousness is . It's the self association that one makes in reflection of everything else . You are you, life, that's all. Only the body/mind says you are this and not that. |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 3, 2017 14:46:04 GMT
Only if you believe you know what that thing is. If you don't know, then there is no ego to relate it to. Sent from my SM-G903W using Tapatalk You have to relate what you are to something self identified . It doesn't matter if a peep knows what a peep is, or what a human is or what consciousness is . It's the self association that one makes in reflection of everything else . So am I right that there would be no ego in deep sleep, in your definition? |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 3, 2017 18:53:39 GMT
You have to relate what you are to something self identified . It doesn't matter if a peep knows what a peep is, or what a human is or what consciousness is . It's the self association that one makes in reflection of everything else . You are you, life, that's all. Only the body/mind says you are this and not that. You have just identified yourself as that . That is ego driven . |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 3, 2017 18:55:01 GMT
You have to relate what you are to something self identified . It doesn't matter if a peep knows what a peep is, or what a human is or what consciousness is . It's the self association that one makes in reflection of everything else . So am I right that there would be no ego in deep sleep, in your definition? If there is no self reflection in deep sleep then there is no sense of what you are being this or that .. |
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Post by Theodore on Jun 9, 2017 0:41:17 GMT
And why is I being vilified in spiritual circles? You'll have to pardon my manners... I remember your posts over at ST.Com. I always enjoyed reading you when I was there.  I and vilification..... Hmmmmm.... I remember when I started out on this path. I had the sequence backwards with regard to I, Me, Mine. Once I came to the understanding that something is prior to the I,Me, Mine reference, it wasn't such a big deal anymore. But in the beginning I was still pretty hung up on the 'I'dentity. In a way, it's just too narrow an agreement I made with myself. We are vast. We contain multitudes. What comes before you? I is all I have myself. |
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Post by Theodore on Jun 9, 2017 0:42:11 GMT
I think there can be a sloppy or convenient use of the word to describe all manner of ills, and even in general 'non-spiritual' language this applies. I am reminded of George Constanza in Seinfeld saying it to Jerry occasionally...''where do you get the ego?!'' lol At core, I would say ego is the individual point of perception/experience. Neither positive or negative. Personally, I tend to use 'egocentricity' to denote what is negative, and egocentricity is the product of misunderstanding about the nature of individuality in relation to the totality. This egocentricity is reflected in the way our economy is run, our politics, social institutions of all kinds, and obviously our relationships. I like that one, although it's a bit too general to explore it further! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 11:53:42 GMT
You'll have to pardon my manners... I remember your posts over at ST.Com. I always enjoyed reading you when I was there. I and vilification..... Hmmmmm.... I remember when I started out on this path. I had the sequence backwards with regard to I, Me, Mine. Once I came to the understanding that something is prior to the I,Me, Mine reference, it wasn't such a big deal anymore. But in the beginning I was still pretty hung up on the 'I'dentity. In a way, it's just too narrow an agreement I made with myself. We are vast. We contain multitudes. What comes before you? I is all I have myself.Can it be described? |
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Post by Theodore on Jun 9, 2017 15:45:20 GMT
What comes before you? I is all I have myself.Can it be described? Depends on what we mean by I, in the final analysis. Nothing can really be described, but my experience is along the lines of a human male body right now, looking at a screen. So what I am has to do with a body looking at a screen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 16:07:24 GMT
Depends on what we mean by I, in the final analysis. Nothing can really be described, but my experience is along the lines of a human male body right now, looking at a screen. So what I am has to do with a body looking at a screen. I wasn't aware of my body when I started reading your response. Then the thought of a body popped in when I read human male body. I have one of those too, but it's not prior to, or the cause of anything. I'm simply pointing at non local awareness in this, and the post you quoted. |
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Post by Theodore on Jun 9, 2017 19:33:01 GMT
Depends on what we mean by I, in the final analysis. Nothing can really be described, but my experience is along the lines of a human male body right now, looking at a screen. So what I am has to do with a body looking at a screen. I wasn't aware of my body when I started reading your response. Then the thought of a body popped in when I read human male body. I have one of those too, but it's not prior to, or the cause of anything. I'm simply pointing at non local awareness in this, and the post you quoted. Would you have a thought about a non local awareness without the body? Without, for example, the brain? You only have to be aware of a painful sensation, or a contradiction (hot/cold, itching, etc.). There is no need to be aware of the whole body at all times, but that I interpret as a bodily action itself. That doesn't mean that a body is a separate entity, but it doesn't mean that awareness isn't dependent on the body either. |
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