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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 9, 2022 15:03:45 GMT
I’d like to start a chat here: It’s still a struggle for me to understand the pull into this particular story when interest in most stories, beliefs, mind chatter is all but gone. When you think about it, is it any different to law of attraction, astrology or anything else going on in the world? Famine? Animal rights etc? Why are non-dualists pulled in here? It’s all seen to be ‘one’. No other. No out there, no in here. What does wakefulness truly mean? It means to be awake and alert. And I've never understood what it means to call someone, or identify as, a 'non dualist'. And I don't know why I'm here. Out of habit I suppose. And because Reefs drained all the fun out of the other forum.   |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 9, 2022 15:20:22 GMT
I’d like to start a chat here: It’s still a struggle for me to understand the pull into this particular story when interest in most stories, beliefs, mind chatter is all but gone. When you think about it, is it any different to law of attraction, astrology or anything else going on in the world? Famine? Animal rights etc? Why are non-dualists pulled in here? It’s all seen to be ‘one’. No other. No out there, no in here. What does wakefulness truly mean? The common state is one form of consensus trance or another, and it's possible for someone to realize that this is the state that they're in. It's easy to see what "consensus trance" means in the extremes: war, for instance, and the scamdemic is a form of "information war", where we can see this happening from the outside, looking in as it happens to others. People caught up in cults that literally capture and exploit them are another. There are all matter of degrees of it, such as forming a distorted image of a political figure, for example, or simply how a parent might condition a child to succeed in life.
But is waking up to one dream, always just the start of another dream? This is a version of the existential question. It has no definitive answer of mind, for the mind applied deeply to it will answer both yes, and no. The conflict can be resolved in some specific contexts, but there is no generalized resolution.
Nonduality becomes relevant in consideration of the existential question. There is no dreamer, and no dream. The existential dilemma does have a final resolution, but that resolution, is the great mystery.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 19:49:00 GMT
I don’t understand? Am specifically talking about ‘the great awakening’ stuff. what is this great awakening stuff? This is a forum about spiritual awakening which developed a sideline into talking about the pandemic with a thread entitled the great awakening. So I guess you're not talking about enlightenment. I've asked a couple of times what Awakening has to do with this thread, but no one can answer  Something to do with Truth!  |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 9, 2022 22:01:48 GMT
I’d like to start a chat here: It’s still a struggle for me to understand the pull into this particular story when interest in most stories, beliefs, mind chatter is all but gone. When you think about it, is it any different to law of attraction, astrology or anything else going on in the world? Famine? Animal rights etc? Why are non-dualists pulled in here? It’s all seen to be ‘one’. No other. No out there, no in here. What does wakefulness truly mean? The way I see it all, is that there are 2 kinds of spiritual path (though everyone's is unique). There's a non-duality pathless path, and a path of mastery (or 'reality creation'). It's not either/or, it's more a continuum. Some folks are just non-duality through and through. Some folks are 'mastery through and through. It seems to me that those that are interested in the Awakening story, or a 'shift in Consciousness', fall somewhere in between the 2 polar ends. A pure non-duality path would have no interest in the story. Similarly, a pure Aber would have no interest in the story. Personally, I lean towards the reality creation path, though I do love a bit of non-duality. In fact, although I lean towards reality creation, I've hung out on non-duality forums for 13 years, which says a great deal. I see Jesus as a good example of someone that embodies both paths. Definitely non-dual, but also definitely a master. At this point, I don't judge people's spiritual path. At least, not much. Way I see it, everyone's different, has their own dharma, their own growth, their own exploration. There are times when I drift into the extreme ends of either non-duality or mastery. I love a good non-duality pointer which takes me to '0'. I also love a good Abe quote. So I move around a lot, that just seems to be my thing. edit: from a certain view, the moving around can be seen to be 'not Awake'. That's okay, I can understand that view, and I don't worry about that...I can find other bigger worry fish to fry these days |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 9, 2022 22:08:48 GMT
what is this great awakening stuff? This is a forum about spiritual awakening which developed a sideline into talking about the pandemic with a thread entitled the great awakening. So I guess you're not talking about enlightenment. I've asked a couple of times what Awakening has to do with this thread, but no one can answer Something to do with Truth!  It depends. In one way, Truth has nothing to do with anything. It stands alone. The stories, the stuff that happens, the changing appearances, life....has nothing to do with Truth. I respect that view and think it's an important one. But I'm a messy bast*rd, and I would say that in another way, Truth relates to truthfulness. From that position, the unfolding of life, and the world....isn't divorced from Truth. |
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Post by Esponja on Jan 9, 2022 22:37:59 GMT
No, I’m talking about the pandemic and enlightenment. Does that make sense? Why so much interest (and I mean here too)? I see no connection between the two. What's happening with the pandemic is samsara. Some people are being completely taken in and ruled by the narrative. Others are looking more deeply and questioning that narrative. All of this is taking place against a background of fear and hysteria. For me none of this has anything to do with any kind of awakening on a collective level. There have been much darker periods in history as well as more "enlightened" times, but I don't mean that in any kind of spiritual sense. Whatever happens the world will always be the dualistic realm of samsara. Yes I think that too. I just see it as more ‘story’ yet it has a strong pull for me. |
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Post by Esponja on Jan 9, 2022 22:40:00 GMT
what is this great awakening stuff? This is a forum about spiritual awakening which developed a sideline into talking about the pandemic with a thread entitled the great awakening. So I guess you're not talking about enlightenment. I've asked a couple of times what Awakening has to do with this thread, but no one can answer Something to do with Truth! There’s talk in many spiritual circles of an ‘awakening’. All of a sudden people are seeing through lies that were probably always there. It’s interesting. |
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Post by Esponja on Jan 9, 2022 22:42:09 GMT
I’d like to start a chat here: It’s still a struggle for me to understand the pull into this particular story when interest in most stories, beliefs, mind chatter is all but gone. When you think about it, is it any different to law of attraction, astrology or anything else going on in the world? Famine? Animal rights etc? Why are non-dualists pulled in here? It’s all seen to be ‘one’. No other. No out there, no in here. What does wakefulness truly mean? The way I see it all, is that there are 2 kinds of spiritual path (though everyone's is unique). There's a non-duality pathless path, and a path of mastery (or 'reality creation'). It's not either/or, it's more a continuum. Some folks are just non-duality through and through. Some folks are 'mastery through and through. It seems to me that those that are interested in the Awakening story, or a 'shift in Consciousness', fall somewhere in between the 2 polar ends. A pure non-duality path would have no interest in the story. Similarly, a pure Aber would have no interest in the story. Personally, I lean towards the reality creation path, though I do love a bit of non-duality. In fact, although I lean towards reality creation, I've hung out on non-duality forums for 13 years, which says a great deal. I see Jesus as a good example of someone that embodies both paths. Definitely non-dual, but also definitely a master. At this point, I don't judge people's spiritual path. At least, not much. Way I see it, everyone's different, has their own dharma, their own growth, their own exploration. There are times when I drift into the extreme ends of either non-duality or mastery. I love a good non-duality pointer which takes me to '0'. I also love a good Abe quote. So I move around a lot, that just seems to be my thing. edit: from a certain view, the moving around can be seen to be 'not Awake'. That's okay, I can understand that view, and I don't worry about that...I can find other bigger worry fish to fry these days Makes sense. |
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Post by Esponja on Jan 9, 2022 22:47:40 GMT
I’d like to start a chat here: It’s still a struggle for me to understand the pull into this particular story when interest in most stories, beliefs, mind chatter is all but gone. When you think about it, is it any different to law of attraction, astrology or anything else going on in the world? Famine? Animal rights etc? Why are non-dualists pulled in here? It’s all seen to be ‘one’. No other. No out there, no in here. What does wakefulness truly mean? The common state is one form of consensus trance or another, and it's possible for someone to realize that this is the state that they're in. It's easy to see what "consensus trance" means in the extremes: war, for instance, and the scamdemic is a form of "information war", where we can see this happening from the outside, looking in as it happens to others. People caught up in cults that literally capture and exploit them are another. There are all matter of degrees of it, such as forming a distorted image of a political figure, for example, or simply how a parent might condition a child to succeed in life.
But is waking up to one dream, always just the start of another dream? This is a version of the existential question. It has no definitive answer of mind, for the mind applied deeply to it will answer both yes, and no. The conflict can be resolved in some specific contexts, but there is no generalized resolution.
Nonduality becomes relevant in consideration of the existential question. There is no dreamer, and no dream. The existential dilemma does have a final resolution, but that resolution, is the great mystery.
The reason I ask, is because I attend regular Satsangs with Sailor Bob and I have the good fortune of 1:1s with him. He doesn’t entertain this stuff much at all. Not saying he doesn’t have an opinion but he told me he realised that it’s all suffering, so why go there? Just be present and whatever arises will arise as nobody is doing it anyhow. Yet here we have several of us who have seen ‘truth’ and yet continue to explore the story. I can’t pretend to look at it in ‘presence’ all the time. The story of ‘I’ and with it some subtle fears of a dystopian future, frustration of those not seeing it, a vaccine that might hurt people and a fear (which really is all love) for my girl’s future. When I remember my true nature all really is well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 22:51:09 GMT
I've asked a couple of times what Awakening has to do with this thread, but no one can answer Something to do with Truth! There’s talk in many spiritual circles of an ‘awakening’. All of a sudden people are seeing through lies that were probably always there. It’s interesting. Hocus pocus nonsense, sorry |
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