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Post by ghostofmuttley on Feb 21, 2022 7:55:10 GMT
I liked this. I have personally lost a lot of interest in world events. Thanks for that. She was as deft as she was uncompromising. What I love about this is that all she said about the narrative was, essentially "what is any of that without the narrative?". She even sort of gave permission for him to pursue his narrative, and her pointing could have applied to anyone, regardless of what narrative they have.
I like to play with narratives, to try to discern deliberate deception and self-deception, but it's all just the relative play, as any play with any narrative only gives rise, to another narrative.  |
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Post by Esponja on Feb 21, 2022 13:58:15 GMT
I liked this. I have personally lost a lot of interest in world events. Thanks for that. She was as deft as she was uncompromising. What I love about this is that all she said about the narrative was, essentially "what is any of that without the narrative?". She even sort of gave permission for him to pursue his narrative, and her pointing could have applied to anyone, regardless of what narrative they have.
I like to play with narratives, to try to discern deliberate deception and self-deception, but it's all just the relative play, as any play with any narrative only gives rise, to another narrative. Yeah its ok, enjoyable even but without that space of awareness it can also pull you into me/fear. Perhaps when who you really are feels more established? Nothing wrong with thought or narrative and who would even care anyway? Actually enjoyable. For me, the belief in it ‘affecting’ me is less so the interest is not there so much and after 2 years perhaps a disinterest is normal. A change in energy. It all changes. |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Feb 22, 2022 0:10:33 GMT
Thanks for that. She was as deft as she was uncompromising. What I love about this is that all she said about the narrative was, essentially "what is any of that without the narrative?". She even sort of gave permission for him to pursue his narrative, and her pointing could have applied to anyone, regardless of what narrative they have.
I like to play with narratives, to try to discern deliberate deception and self-deception, but it's all just the relative play, as any play with any narrative only gives rise, to another narrative.  Yeah its ok, enjoyable even but without that space of awareness it can also pull you into me/fear. Perhaps when who you really are feels more established? Nothing wrong with thought or narrative and who would even care anyway? Actually enjoyable. For me, the belief in it ‘affecting’ me is less so the interest is not there so much and after 2 years perhaps a disinterest is normal. A change in energy. It all changes. Personally speaking, none of these narratives over the past few years have led to fear, and that "space" is "never not there". But that doesn't mean that life isn't sometimes a relative struggle. .. old broke-down stuff and occasionally contentious individuals all 'round, you see.  The struggle happens completely differently now though, than it would have otherwise. The struggle is just pain, not suffering. I can point to the distinction between pain and suffering, but trying to explain it would ultimately lead to one sort of mess or another.
And just because there's no fear doesn't mean the narratives aren't interesting. Why wouldn't you care that people are suffering? There's a difference between caring, about compassion for the suffering, and getting so wrapped up in it that you share in it.
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Post by Esponja on Feb 22, 2022 9:07:26 GMT
Yeah its ok, enjoyable even but without that space of awareness it can also pull you into me/fear. Perhaps when who you really are feels more established? Nothing wrong with thought or narrative and who would even care anyway? Actually enjoyable. For me, the belief in it ‘affecting’ me is less so the interest is not there so much and after 2 years perhaps a disinterest is normal. A change in energy. It all changes. Personally speaking, none of these narratives over the past few years have led to fear, and that "space" is "never not there". But that doesn't mean that life isn't sometimes a relative struggle. .. old broke-down stuff and occasionally contentious individuals all 'round, you see. The struggle happens completely differently now though, than it would have otherwise. The struggle is just pain, not suffering. I can point to the distinction between pain and suffering, but trying to explain it would ultimately lead to one sort of mess or another.
And just because there's no fear doesn't mean the narratives aren't interesting. Why wouldn't you care that people are suffering? There's a difference between caring, about compassion for the suffering, and getting so wrapped up in it that you share in it.
This body/mind is conditioned to care so why wouldn’t it? As I’ve pointed out before, plenty of self-realised people are vaccinated and pro-vaccine for example. It’s whatever arises. It’s not about denying any of it because who would do that really? I’d say your self-realization was stable, mine was too much belief in I. That’s dwindled. Now if I choose to pay attention to it it’s from more of a peaceful perspective that ultimately everything is ok. |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Feb 22, 2022 16:57:43 GMT
Personally speaking, none of these narratives over the past few years have led to fear, and that "space" is "never not there". But that doesn't mean that life isn't sometimes a relative struggle. .. old broke-down stuff and occasionally contentious individuals all 'round, you see.  The struggle happens completely differently now though, than it would have otherwise. The struggle is just pain, not suffering. I can point to the distinction between pain and suffering, but trying to explain it would ultimately lead to one sort of mess or another.
And just because there's no fear doesn't mean the narratives aren't interesting. Why wouldn't you care that people are suffering? There's a difference between caring, about compassion for the suffering, and getting so wrapped up in it that you share in it.
This body/mind is conditioned to care so why wouldn’t it? As I’ve pointed out before, plenty of self-realised people are vaccinated and pro-vaccine for example. It’s whatever arises. It’s not about denying any of it because who would do that really? I’d say your self-realization was stable, mine was too much belief in I. That’s dwindled. Now if I choose to pay attention to it it’s from more of a peaceful perspective that ultimately everything is ok. Well, for as long as there's any question about the great matter, any shred of self-curiosity, it's sort of like being on a tightrope. On one hand, this notion of stabilizing in self-realization is just another portrait that has to burn, on the other hand, things change over time, they change differently for each individual, and there's no unseeing the existential truth.
Now, just denying, or refusing that self-curiosity is probably the worst move of all. Always and ever, the call is for self-honesty. That's the tightrope. Everything really is ok. There is a profound simplicity to that pointing. Even as we can recognize the fact of the suffering of others, even as we live out the constant aches and pains of life. Anything we say - in the abstract - beyond that, is a thing too many.
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Post by Inavalan on Feb 22, 2022 19:08:23 GMT
Personally speaking, none of these narratives over the past few years have led to fear, and that "space" is "never not there". But that doesn't mean that life isn't sometimes a relative struggle. .. old broke-down stuff and occasionally contentious individuals all 'round, you see. The struggle happens completely differently now though, than it would have otherwise. The struggle is just pain, not suffering. I can point to the distinction between pain and suffering, but trying to explain it would ultimately lead to one sort of mess or another. And just because there's no fear doesn't mean the narratives aren't interesting. Why wouldn't you care that people are suffering? There's a difference between caring, about compassion for the suffering, and getting so wrapped up in it that you share in it.
This body/mind is conditioned to care so why wouldn’t it? As I’ve pointed out before, plenty of self-realised people are vaccinated and pro-vaccine for example. It’s whatever arises. It’s not about denying any of it because who would do that really? I’d say your self-realization was stable, mine was too much belief in I. That’s dwindled. Now if I choose to pay attention to it it’s from more of a peaceful perspective that ultimately everything is ok. Your words ... plenty of self-realised people are vaccinated and pro-vaccine for example. It’s whatever arises. It’s not about denying any of it ... attracted my attention, and I'd like to comment. In my opinion, the decision to get a vaccine or not is a matter of intuition and intellect. Being advanced spiritually should help you (using the impersonal "you" from here on) make better choices for yourself. Getting the jab may have helped some people, but it was disastrous to others. Getting overly emotional in imposing your choice onto others, in my opinion, is a sign of lower level of spirituality. Fear too. Anger to some degree too. (I refer here to sustained fear and / or anger, not to transitory emotions). For a lay person being pro-vaccine, or pro-covid vaccine, is a matter of trust (I would call it faith) both in others' opinions, and in your own intellect and intuition. Believing that you have the right to impose, your choice of trust onto others, is wrong. It is even despicable when people start accepting "collateral damage", which to me, in most cases I can think of, is sociopathy. |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Feb 23, 2022 3:49:08 GMT
This body/mind is conditioned to care so why wouldn’t it? As I’ve pointed out before, plenty of self-realised people are vaccinated and pro-vaccine for example. It’s whatever arises. It’s not about denying any of it because who would do that really? I’d say your self-realization was stable, mine was too much belief in I. That’s dwindled. Now if I choose to pay attention to it it’s from more of a peaceful perspective that ultimately everything is ok. Your words ... plenty of self-realised people are vaccinated and pro-vaccine for example. It’s whatever arises. It’s not about denying any of it ... attracted my attention, and I'd like to comment. In my opinion, the decision to get a vaccine or not is a matter of intuition and intellect. Being advanced spiritually should help you (using the impersonal "you" from here on) make better choices for yourself. Getting the jab may have helped some people, but it was disastrous to others. Getting overly emotional in imposing your choice onto others, in my opinion, is a sign of lower level of spirituality. Fear too. Anger to some degree too. (I refer here to sustained fear and / or anger, not to transitory emotions). For a lay person being pro-vaccine, or pro-covid vaccine, is a matter of trust (I would call it faith) both in others' opinions, and in your own intellect and intuition. Believing that you have the right to impose, your choice of trust onto others, is wrong. It is even despicable when people start accepting "collateral damage", which to me, in most cases I can think of, is sociopathy. Many people who took the vax and even favored the mandates believed that the vaccines were effective both at protecting the vaccinated personally and would help slow and even eventually effectively stop the spread of the virus. They had good reasons for these beliefs. Those beliefs also led some of them to the converse that people who did not take the vax were foolish and selfish. The reasons for those converse beliefs about the unvaccinated were less pure-minded/hearted.
I'm keeping an eye out now for any future local and organized efforts to solicit for unvaccinated blood donations. Would be nice to have an easy opportunity to do something selfless. |
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Post by Inavalan on Feb 23, 2022 5:53:37 GMT
Your words ... plenty of self-realised people are vaccinated and pro-vaccine for example. It’s whatever arises. It’s not about denying any of it ... attracted my attention, and I'd like to comment. In my opinion, the decision to get a vaccine or not is a matter of intuition and intellect. Being advanced spiritually should help you (using the impersonal "you" from here on) make better choices for yourself. Getting the jab may have helped some people, but it was disastrous to others. Getting overly emotional in imposing your choice onto others, in my opinion, is a sign of lower level of spirituality. Fear too. Anger to some degree too. (I refer here to sustained fear and / or anger, not to transitory emotions). For a lay person being pro-vaccine, or pro-covid vaccine, is a matter of trust (I would call it faith) both in others' opinions, and in your own intellect and intuition. Believing that you have the right to impose, your choice of trust onto others, is wrong. It is even despicable when people start accepting "collateral damage", which to me, in most cases I can think of, is sociopathy. Many people who took the vax and even favored the mandates believed that the vaccines were effective both at protecting the vaccinated personally and would help slow and even eventually effectively stop the spread of the virus. They had good reasons for these beliefs. Those beliefs also led some of them to the converse that people who did not take the vax were foolish and selfish. The reasons for those converse beliefs about the unvaccinated were less pure-minded/hearted.
I'm keeping an eye out now for any future local and organized efforts to solicit for unvaccinated blood donations. Would be nice to have an easy opportunity to do something selfless. As I wrote, I believe that for a lay person, being pro-vaccine (and / or pro-covid vaccine) is a matter of trusting your own intuition and intellect vs. delegating your choice to others. Having good intentions and / or being duped can explain an incorrect choice for oneself, but ultimately it means that that person misused their intellect and intuition. What works for someone may not work for another. I don't think that blood transfusion could help immune, neurological, and other side effects; not even myocarditis. I read earlier an exchange between Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche and an anonymous dr. X. It was an informative exchange, but what was also interesting to me, was that I was following easier dr. Vanden Bossche's excplanations, thatn dr. X did. I suspect that this was the case because I am less knowledgeable about the subject, so I have less limiting beliefs about the subject than a medical doctor has. linkvoiceforscienceandsolidarity.substack.com/p/question-to-dr-x-is-dr-vanden-bosscheThere were some informative graphs, like this one, which shows an increase in the covid death rate, while the infection rate is dropping (South Africa, omicron):  |
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Post by Inavalan on Feb 23, 2022 6:00:40 GMT
I haven't followed Dr. Deepak Chopra, but I just listened to this interview video, liked it, and I believe that others might like it too. It is almost one hour long, but it was worth my time. The first 7 minutes are mostly introductory. Dr. Deepak Chopra recently published his 91st book called ‘Total Meditation’The interview isn't an explicit promotion of the book, but a spiritual discussion. |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Feb 23, 2022 6:08:40 GMT
Many people who took the vax and even favored the mandates believed that the vaccines were effective both at protecting the vaccinated personally and would help slow and even eventually effectively stop the spread of the virus. They had good reasons for these beliefs. Those beliefs also led some of them to the converse that people who did not take the vax were foolish and selfish. The reasons for those converse beliefs about the unvaccinated were less pure-minded/hearted.
I'm keeping an eye out now for any future local and organized efforts to solicit for unvaccinated blood donations. Would be nice to have an easy opportunity to do something selfless. As I wrote, I believe that for a lay person, being pro-vaccine (and / or pro-covid vaccine) is a matter of trusting your own intuition and intellect vs. delegating your choice to others. Having good intentions and / or being duped can explain an incorrect choice for oneself, but ultimately it means that that person misused their intellect and intuition. What works for someone may not work for another. I don't think that blood transfusion could help immune, neurological, and other side effects; not even myocarditis. I read earlier an exchange between Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche and an anonymous dr. X. It was an informative exchange, but what was also interesting to me, was that I was following easier dr. Vanden Bossche's excplanations, thatn dr. X did. I suspect that this was the case because I am less knowledgeable about the subject, so I have less limiting beliefs about the subject than a medical doctor has. linkvoiceforscienceandsolidarity.substack.com/p/question-to-dr-x-is-dr-vanden-bosscheThere were some informative graphs, like this one, which shows an increase in the covid death rate, while the infection rate is dropping (South Africa, omicron): My interest in potentially donating blood was engaged by hearing a story about a pair of Italian parents who had a run-in with the authorities there after requesting that only unvaccinated blood be used for their child during a planned operation that was known to require a substantial transfusion.
I agree with you that the jabbed were duped, but in my opinion, it's not like they were foolish, and I still admit for the possibility that my belief might be flawed to some extent. Institutions that most people have relied on for decades took a wrong turn years back now, but in such a way that it was easy not to notice that, and the dramatic degree to which this was accelerated relatively recently is outside the experience of most Americans alive today.
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The struggle happens completely differently now though, than it would have otherwise. The struggle is just pain, not suffering. I can point to the distinction between pain and suffering, but trying to explain it would ultimately lead to one sort of mess or another. 
The struggle happens completely differently now though, than it would have otherwise. The struggle is just pain, not suffering. I can point to the distinction between pain and suffering, but trying to explain it would ultimately lead to one sort of mess or another.