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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 3:38:16 GMT
Don't be silly. If you can speak of consciousness then you have objectified it. In the English language that is called a noun so it is a what. Wrong. Again, this is where "pointers" come in. If I was "objectifying" consciousness, the words would suffice just fine. I am saying they don't even come close...they are merely pointers....they fail, but words are all we have, so hence, we use them to try to point. I don't need a pointer for consciousness. I know what it is. It is what I am. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2022 3:39:42 GMT
If that's all you see, then you are mired within the conceptual realm...mired within experience. To see beyond, a shift in vantage point is necessary. Oh give me a break. I'm not a dumb ass asking stupid questions. I'm just presenting the same questions that philosophers have been asking for thousands of years. I'm not calling you a dumb ass. Philosophers are generally very intelligent, smart people. There's a vast difference though between intelligence vs. transcendent clarity. The realization of Truth has nothing to do with philosophy. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2022 3:40:49 GMT
Wrong. Again, this is where "pointers" come in. If I was "objectifying" consciousness, the words would suffice just fine. I am saying they don't even come close...they are merely pointers....they fail, but words are all we have, so hence, we use them to try to point. I don't need a pointer for consciousness. I know what it is. It is what I am. Yes. It is YOU who is conceptualizing/objectifying "consciousness,"...mistaking it for a conceptual something. Further Satchi. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 3:41:21 GMT
Oh give me a break. I'm not a dumb ass asking stupid questions. I'm just presenting the same questions that philosophers have been asking for thousands of years. I'm not calling you a dumb ass. Philosophers are generally very intelligent, smart people. There's a vast difference though between intelligence vs. transcendent clarity. The realization of Truth has nothing to do with philosophy. Yes that's true and what I'm telling you is that no one knows whether objects have an inherent existence or not. But I assume they do just like tantric shaivism does which is non-duality. You think that's a contradiction. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 3:43:20 GMT
I don't need a pointer for consciousness. I know what it is. It is what I am. Yes. It is YOU who is conceptualizing/objectifying "consciousness,"...mistaking it for a conceptual something. Further Satchi. How can it be a mistake if I know consciousness and I communicate that through language which necessarily means I have to use a word. This is crazy talk. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2022 3:57:05 GMT
I'm not calling you a dumb ass. Philosophers are generally very intelligent, smart people. There's a vast difference though between intelligence vs. transcendent clarity. The realization of Truth has nothing to do with philosophy. Yes that's true and what I'm telling you is that no one knows whether objects have an inherent existence or not. But I assume they do just like tantric shaivism does which is non-duality. You think that's a contradiction. Realization is crystal clear. There is no surmising....no assumption. Just absolute, certain clarity. It's clear you have no reference for that. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2022 3:58:20 GMT
Yes. It is YOU who is conceptualizing/objectifying "consciousness,"...mistaking it for a conceptual something. Further Satchi. How can it be a mistake if I know consciousness and I communicate that through language which necessarily means I have to use a word. This is crazy talk. You've imagined consciousness to be a something that arises in experience....you are mistaking an experiential facet...a perceivable for the ground. You must go deeper...further.....your view is still mired in the dream. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 4:24:54 GMT
Yes that's true and what I'm telling you is that no one knows whether objects have an inherent existence or not. But I assume they do just like tantric shaivism does which is non-duality. You think that's a contradiction. Realization is crystal clear. There is no surmising....no assumption. Just absolute, certain clarity. It's clear you have no reference for that. Yes realization is crystal clear. What does that have to do with what I said about the inherent existence of objects in the world? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 4:26:51 GMT
How can it be a mistake if I know consciousness and I communicate that through language which necessarily means I have to use a word. This is crazy talk. You've imagined consciousness to be a something that arises in experience....you are mistaking an experiential facet...a perceivable for the ground. You must go deeper...further.....your view is still mired in the dream. You are dreaming and imagining if consciousness is just a pointer for you, a concept. You have admitted you don't know consciousness. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2022 4:29:14 GMT
Realization is crystal clear. There is no surmising....no assumption. Just absolute, certain clarity. It's clear you have no reference for that. Yes realization is crystal clear. What does that have to do with what I said about the inherent existence of objects in the world? Everything. |
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