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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 3:28:03 GMT
Consciousness being the foundation does not contradict the fact that there is a mountain. This is the mistake you are making. Where the heck did I say that consciousness as the foundation contradicts the appearance of a mountain? I never said that. That would be a ridiculous statement to make. If/when a mountain appears, there IS a mountain appearing. Why would there ever be a need to argue against that? In that case I don't know what you're saying. There is consciousness/awareness and there is a mountain. You subscribe to the exclusive view of Advaita that it's merely an appearance that's it has no inherent existence. I don't. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2022 3:28:41 GMT
You've also admitted now that you have no reference for the abiding ground from within which, the mountain appears. There is abinding ground and there is also a mountain. You know what a mountain is but you don't know what consciousness is. It's not "a what." The knowing/realization of consciousness = direct/imminent non-conceptual seeing. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2022 3:30:16 GMT
Where the heck did I say that consciousness as the foundation contradicts the appearance of a mountain? I never said that. That would be a ridiculous statement to make. If/when a mountain appears, there IS a mountain appearing. Why would there ever be a need to argue against that? In that case I don't know what you're saying. There is consciousness/awareness and there is a mountain. You subscribe to the exclusive view of Advaita that it's merely an appearance that's it has no inherent existence. I don't. Wrong. There's no subscription to a particular view...just clear seeing from a viewpoint that is transcendent of the person....transcendent of the realm of appearance. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 3:30:37 GMT
There is abinding ground and there is also a mountain. You know what a mountain is but you don't know what consciousness is. It's not "a what." The knowing/realization of consciousness = direct/imminent non-conceptual seeing. If you speak of knowing consciousness then it's a what. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 3:31:22 GMT
In that case I don't know what you're saying. There is consciousness/awareness and there is a mountain. You subscribe to the exclusive view of Advaita that it's merely an appearance that's it has no inherent existence. I don't. Wrong. There's no subscription to a particular view...just clear seeing from a viewpoint that is transcendent of the person....transcendent of the realm of appearance. Yes there is clear seeing of a mountain. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2022 3:33:50 GMT
It's not "a what." The knowing/realization of consciousness = direct/imminent non-conceptual seeing. If you speak of knowing consciousness then it's a what. Nope. Not if it's a non-conceptual seeing/knowing. (a realization). |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2022 3:34:52 GMT
Wrong. There's no subscription to a particular view...just clear seeing from a viewpoint that is transcendent of the person....transcendent of the realm of appearance. Yes there is clear seeing of a mountain. If that's all you see, then you are mired within the conceptual realm...mired within experience. To see beyond, a shift in vantage point is necessary. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 3:35:00 GMT
If you speak of knowing consciousness then it's a what. Nope. Not if it's a non-conceptual seeing/knowing. (a realization). Don't be silly. If you can speak of consciousness then you have objectified it. In the English language that is called a noun so it is a what. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 3:36:22 GMT
Yes there is clear seeing of a mountain. If that's all you see, then you are mired within the conceptual realm...mired within experience. To see beyond, a shift in vantage point is necessary. Oh give me a break. I'm not a dumb ass asking stupid questions. I'm just presenting the same questions that philosophers have been asking for thousands of years. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2022 3:37:08 GMT
Nope. Not if it's a non-conceptual seeing/knowing. (a realization). Don't be silly. If you can speak of consciousness then you have objectified it. In the English language that is called a noun so it is a what. Wrong. Again, this is where "pointers" come in. If I was "objectifying" consciousness, the words would suffice just fine. I am saying they don't even come close...they are merely pointers....they fail, but words are all we have, so hence, we use them to try to point. |
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