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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2022 4:30:37 GMT
You've imagined consciousness to be a something that arises in experience....you are mistaking an experiential facet...a perceivable for the ground. You must go deeper...further.....your view is still mired in the dream. You are dreaming and imagining if consciousness is just a pointer for you, a concept. You have admitted you don't know consciousness. I never said that. I said that consciousness is known directly, imminently, non-conceptually. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 4:31:07 GMT
Yes realization is crystal clear. What does that have to do with what I said about the inherent existence of objects in the world? Everything. 😃 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 4:31:53 GMT
You are dreaming and imagining if consciousness is just a pointer for you, a concept. You have admitted you don't know consciousness. I never said that. I said that consciousness is known directly, imminently, non-conceptually. Yes it is known directly, that's what I've always said. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 30, 2022 4:19:12 GMT
You've imagined consciousness to be a something that arises in experience....you are mistaking an experiential facet...a perceivable for the ground. You must go deeper...further.....your view is still mired in the dream. You are dreaming and imagining if consciousness is just a pointer for you, a concept. You have admitted you don't know consciousness.Good lord. You've still not grasping what the term "pointer" means. Consciousness (that which is being pointed TO) is not itself "the pointer." The pointer is the talk about 'it'...the attempt to use words to describe that which ultimately cannot be captured conceptually. Where did I "admit I don't know consciousness"? Consciousness is known immediately, directly, non-conceptually. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 4:22:09 GMT
You are dreaming and imagining if consciousness is just a pointer for you, a concept. You have admitted you don't know consciousness.Good lord. You've still not grasping what the term "pointer" means. Consciousness (that which is being pointed TO) is not itself "the pointer." The pointer is the talk about 'it'...the attempt to use words to describe that which ultimately cannot be captured conceptually. Where did I "admit I don't know consciousness"? Consciousness is known immediately, directly, non-conceptually. If consciousness is known directly there is no need for a pointer. I'm always experiencing that which could be pointed at. |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 30, 2022 4:26:35 GMT
Good lord. You've still not grasping what the term "pointer" means. Consciousness (that which is being pointed TO) is not itself "the pointer." The pointer is the talk about 'it'...the attempt to use words to describe that which ultimately cannot be captured conceptually. Where did I "admit I don't know consciousness"? Consciousness is known immediately, directly, non-conceptually. If consciousness is known directly there is no need for a pointer. I'm always experiencing that which could be pointed at. If you are experiencing it, then your knowledge of it is conceptual only. You've mistaken something that is appearing...a perceivable...a stain, for the abiding ground. You are confused. The knowing I am referencing is non-conceptual...not based upon an experience. All experience is transitory. The "consciousness" I am pointing to, is not transitory. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 5:00:58 GMT
If consciousness is known directly there is no need for a pointer. I'm always experiencing that which could be pointed at. If you are experiencing it, then your knowledge of it is conceptual only. You've mistaken something that is appearing...a perceivable...a stain, for the abiding ground. You are confused. The knowing I am referencing is non-conceptual...not based upon an experience. All experience is transitory. The "consciousness" I am pointing to, is not transitory. How about awareness experiencing itself? |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 30, 2022 5:09:08 GMT
If you are experiencing it, then your knowledge of it is conceptual only. You've mistaken something that is appearing...a perceivable...a stain, for the abiding ground. You are confused. The knowing I am referencing is non-conceptual...not based upon an experience. All experience is transitory. The "consciousness" I am pointing to, is not transitory. How about awareness experiencing itself? That might be fine if you hadn't made it so abundantly clear throughout our conversations that you are talking about a concept. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 5:13:38 GMT
How about awareness experiencing itself? That might be fine if you hadn't made it so abundantly clear throughout our conversations that you are talking about a concept. That might be fine? These are your own exact words which you posted sometime ago in response to me. Awareness experiences itself
So not only are you having a petty word play argument about the difference in meaning between knowing and experiencing but you're now uncertain about whether you believe your own words.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 30, 2022 5:25:58 GMT
That might be fine if you hadn't made it so abundantly clear throughout our conversations that you are talking about a concept. That might be fine? These are your own exact words which you posted sometime ago in response to me. Awareness experiences itself
So not only are you having a petty word play argument about the difference in meaning between knowing and experiencing but you're now uncertain about whether you believe your own words.
Yeah, the entire context of the full conversation must be considered. As words are only pointers to the non-conceptual Truth, the surrounding context and previous conversations are important. The sage that says "I am the world," is saying something very, very different than the seeker who says "I am the world." If E, someNothing, Esponja for example used that term/pointer, I wouldn't quibble because I know based on their past posts and conversations with them, that they are not conceptualizing consciousness. |
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