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Post by Figgles on Jan 21, 2023 3:07:03 GMT
"You are god, source, totality, awareness, presence, whatever you want to call this energetic mystery—IT IS, AND YOU ARE THAT. So no need to go looking for it. it is what's looking." -- Anna Brown
Yes, she had it right then...and that is not in reference to a body/person 'looking' with it's eyes...the body/person that looks/sees visually, via eyes, appears TO...is seen by, 'what is looking.'
'Cept, she now seem to be reversing that to say that it is "Source/God" that is looking/seeing through a person's eyes....which then makes everything other than the 'me person/body/mind,' a something that appears to 'what's looking,' and exempts the 'me person/character,' from that....It's a movement right back into mistaking the appearing me character/body/mind, as having it's own inherent existent....of directly "being" the Source of awareness.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 21, 2023 3:08:39 GMT
Spira: "We wake up out of the illusion of the dream state (from night-time sleeping) but we fall immediately into the illusion of the waking state, now we're waking up out of the illusion of the waking state, into the reality of awareness"
Tenka, Reefs or anyone else having trouble with the 'dream metaphor' Spira describes things perfectly there.
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Post by Esponja on Jan 21, 2023 4:11:14 GMT
"You are god, source, totality, awareness, presence, whatever you want to call this energetic mystery—IT IS, AND YOU ARE THAT. So no need to go looking for it. it is what's looking." -- Anna Brown Yes, she had it right then...and that is not in reference to a body/person 'looking' with it's eyes...the body/person that looks/sees visually, via eyes, appears TO...is seen by, 'what is looking.' 'Cept, she now seem to be reversing that to say that it is "Source/God" that is looking/seeing through a person's eyes....which then makes everything other than the 'me person/body/mind,' a something that appears to 'what's looking,' and exempts the 'me person/character,' from that....It's a movement right back into mistaking the appearing me character/body/mind, as having it's own inherent existent....of directly "being" the Source of awareness. Maybe she needs the money?! 🤷🏻♀️. Even saying you are God etc doesn’t feel right to me anymore. An ego can attach to it too easily. Nothing, no thing is what I’d now say. |
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Post by Esponja on Jan 21, 2023 7:35:39 GMT
Spira: "We wake up out of the illusion of the dream state (from night-time sleeping) but we fall immediately into the illusion of the waking state, now we're waking up out of the illusion of the waking state, into the reality of awareness" Tenka, Reefs or anyone else having trouble with the 'dream metaphor' Spira describes things perfectly there. I’m going off Spira too 🤣. First he holds hos retreats in anti-vax venues. Then he does interviews with Fakedeep Chopra. Also he is constantly telling a seeker to pull back to awareness. Exhausting! 🤣 |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 21, 2023 19:15:36 GMT
"You are god, source, totality, awareness, presence, whatever you want to call this energetic mystery—IT IS, AND YOU ARE THAT. So no need to go looking for it. it is what's looking." -- Anna Brown Yes, she had it right then...and that is not in reference to a body/person 'looking' with it's eyes...the body/person that looks/sees visually, via eyes, appears TO...is seen by, 'what is looking.' 'Cept, she now seem to be reversing that to say that it is "Source/God" that is looking/seeing through a person's eyes....which then makes everything other than the 'me person/body/mind,' a something that appears to 'what's looking,' and exempts the 'me person/character,' from that....It's a movement right back into mistaking the appearing me character/body/mind, as having it's own inherent existent....of directly "being" the Source of awareness. Maybe she needs the money?! 🤷🏻♀️. Even saying you are God etc doesn’t feel right to me anymore. An ego can attach to it too easily. Nothing, no thing is what I’d now say. Yeah, to identify as an all powerful, unlimited "person/entity" is really, ultimately no different than identifying with/as a limited, separate, bounded entity....in both cases, separation is in play. It's no good to simply swap out a belief in being a person who is bound by limitation for a belief in being a person who has super-powers.....both beliefs ultimately equal imagined separation. I see many, (like Reefs, ZD, Tenka...) who have made the conceptual leap from "I am not a separate person," TO "I am all of it....there is only what you are." They've taken the pointer of "I am not a separate person," as "I am a God-like person....unified with all that is...connected to everything." And that's not at all what the pointer is indicating. Unless and until the person is clearly seen to be an appearance within and thus, temporal in nature....wholly dependent AS/when it appears, upon the abiding ground of awareness, we've essentially still got an imaginary separate entity in play. "I am all of it," from the position of a separate, volitional entity, in the story locus of seeing, is nothing more than a conceptual idea/belief that everything is unified/connected...there is no absence inherent to it. From the locus of seeing that is beyond the story....beyond the person, "I am all of it," is absent identification with any-thing at all. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 25, 2023 2:42:43 GMT
Good one!
(It's older...)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 2:51:51 GMT
I watched a few parts of these Anna Brown videos. This may be my personal bias, but she struck me as somebody who had some insight and maybe senses the truth of the 'non duality' teaching, but she is too eager to act like a teacher.
Maybe I'm just tired of the blah-blah-blah. I don't think the world needs many more people talking-the-talk about non-duality. There are plenty of books and recordings.
If we couldn't talk about this stuff in the abstract (ie, talking about 'awareness', 'mind', 'ego', etc), how would we share it or express it? The answer to that may be private and specific to each person. But I doubt that in an "Awakened World", we would have everyone sitting around giving satsang to each other and talking like non-duality gurus.
This could be more of my person bias, but I'm not a fan of young people who become professional gurus. Pay your bills like a normal person.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 26, 2023 3:59:46 GMT
I watched a few parts of these Anna Brown videos. This may be my personal bias, but she struck me as somebody who had some insight and maybe senses the truth of the 'non duality' teaching, but she is too eager to act like a teacher. Maybe I'm just tired of the blah-blah-blah. I don't think the world needs many more people talking-the-talk about non-duality. There are plenty of books and recordings. If we couldn't talk about this stuff in the abstract (ie, talking about 'awareness', 'mind', 'ego', etc), how would we share it or express it? The answer to that may be private and specific to each person. But I doubt that in an "Awakened World", we would have everyone sitting around giving satsang to each other and talking like non-duality gurus.
This could be more of my person bias, but I'm not a fan of young people who become professional gurus. Pay your bills like a normal person. Yeah, I think when it comes to all this, how it's presented, various modes of communicating about Nonduality, preferences vary for sure.
This bit made me laugh.  But I get it. Personally, I quite like hearing different folks talk about it....it's interesting to hear slightly different takes, at times outright manglings, and sometimes new ways of pointing to the same. That's interesting though..the 'too eager to act like a teacher,' take.....she's definitely not lacking in exuberance. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 26, 2023 22:28:58 GMT
I watched a few parts of these Anna Brown videos. This may be my personal bias, but she struck me as somebody who had some insight and maybe senses the truth of the 'non duality' teaching, but she is too eager to act like a teacher. Maybe I'm just tired of the blah-blah-blah. I don't think the world needs many more people talking-the-talk about non-duality. There are plenty of books and recordings. If we couldn't talk about this stuff in the abstract (ie, talking about 'awareness', 'mind', 'ego', etc), how would we share it or express it? The answer to that may be private and specific to each person. But I doubt that in an "Awakened World", we would have everyone sitting around giving satsang to each other and talking like non-duality gurus. This could be more of my person bias, but I'm not a fan of young people who become professional gurus. Pay your bills like a normal person. This Jed mcKenna quote reminded me of what you say above there; |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 2:01:17 GMT
[...] If we couldn't talk about this stuff in the abstract (ie, talking about 'awareness', 'mind', 'ego', etc), how would we share it or express it? The answer to that may be private and specific to each person. But I doubt that in an "Awakened World", we would have everyone sitting around giving satsang to each other and talking like non-duality gurus. This could be more of my person bias, but I'm not a fan of young people who become professional gurus. Pay your bills like a normal person. This Jed mcKenna quote reminded me of what you say above there; Yeah. I like to remember this one sometimes, from Niz: Be aware of being conscious and seek the source of consciousness. That is all. Very little can be conveyed in words. It is the doing as I tell you that will bring light, not my telling you. The means do not matter much; it is the desire, the urge, the earnestness that count. |
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But I get it.