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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 8:18:00 GMT
That's what I am saying you are saying. It's that way not because you want it that way. It's that way because that is how Life works, not because one of it's manifestations wants it that way. It's tantamount to saying it's the way it is because amoeba want it that way. It's Enigmas conceptual folly when philosophy gets weird. That's my point as well. But Enigma doesn't consider this as one of the individual wish, he considers this as collective wish or desire or belief. He consider this way because nothing exist but consciousness and that consciousness is us. So he consider that gravity works because consciousness desire that. But my problem here is, That's not the way universe works in my view and also in your view. because certain things doesn't seems to be working according to what we wish, those setting are preexist, for an example, gravity !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 8:35:12 GMT
hmm? I said 'Exactly' that made you to pissed off? Why it is so? I'm guessing he took your comment "Ok Satch" to mean full agreement with his justification of his response. Yes, it seems to be. You see it always attracts the negative experience for ourselves(Atleast for me) opposite to good argument! Did you notice that? You asked me whether I removed Alfio and Reefs completely from my experience. I said they would be pulled into my experience when they are needed, Do you remember I said that? They are exactly for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 9:02:40 GMT
Your answer is not answering anything! Gravity is not arising our of our desire or belief. That's the way consciousness moves. God is not creating from the present moment because human birth and death is predestined to happen! You asked why it is that we can fly in our dreams if we fear gravity going unstable. I'm saying they are toadally different experiences. My question was, why we can fly in our dream if our desire and belief creates the stable in our reality, the same consciousness starts to create the dream(so it must have the same belief and desire), but it is not stopping you to fly!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 9:03:25 GMT
I don't understand why this question. On ST, he has been quite belligerent, which has encouraged me to post over here more. Now he's over here doing the same thing. I only suggested that maybe he could not do that on both forums. Maybe if he added a little more bliss to his morning coffee we would all be better off. Okay got it!
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Post by Enigma on Jul 4, 2017 17:24:37 GMT
On ST, he has been quite belligerent, which has encouraged me to post over here more. Now he's over here doing the same thing. I only suggested that maybe he could not do that on both forums. Maybe if he added a little more bliss to his morning coffee we would all be better off. THIS activity be ego-drama enigma. Christians use ego to have others(such as spiritual folk) banned from spiritual websites, by whinging and complaining to the stall holder. Appearing RIGHT has nothing at all to do with ones spirituality BUT everything to do with Religion. Ask yourself, "Are you here to learn or Teach?" When we are challenged we ought to take-it to Heart and then express our response having first taken the time to savor the others output. When one is constantly right, they can fall prey to the quality of being morally right, or justifiable in an effort to seduce who is left.I'm talking about belligerence, not right and wrong and the virtue of challenge. It's the ego drama I'm trying to avoid.
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Post by Enigma on Jul 4, 2017 17:32:55 GMT
It's that way because that is how Life works, not because one of it's manifestations wants it that way. It's tantamount to saying it's the way it is because amoeba want it that way. It's Enigmas conceptual folly when philosophy gets weird. That's my point as well. But Enigma doesn't consider this as one of the individual wish, he considers this as collective wish or desire or belief. He consider this way because nothing exist but consciousness and that consciousness is us. So he consider that gravity works because consciousness desire that. But my problem here is, That's not the way universe works in my view and also in your view. because certain things doesn't seems to be working according to what we wish, those setting are preexist, for an example, gravity ! You figure Consciousness wasn't present before Gopal came along, or...?
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Post by Enigma on Jul 4, 2017 17:39:47 GMT
I'm guessing he took your comment "Ok Satch" to mean full agreement with his justification of his response. Yes, it seems to be. You see it always attracts the negative experience for ourselves(Atleast for me) opposite to good argument! Did you notice that?You asked me whether I removed Alfio and Reefs completely from my experience. I said they would be pulled into my experience when they are needed, Do you remember I said that? They are exactly for that. Sure. Even the focus on less belligerence is going to attract more belligerence. It's okay.
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Post by Enigma on Jul 4, 2017 17:41:18 GMT
You asked why it is that we can fly in our dreams if we fear gravity going unstable. I'm saying they are toadally different experiences. My question was, why we can fly in our dream if our desire and belief creates the stable in our reality, the same consciousness starts to create the dream(so it must have the same belief and desire), but it is not stopping you to fly! I explained that already. Remember?
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Post by Esponja on Oct 10, 2021 13:56:08 GMT
Read this over on ST, and felt compelled to comment; A movement of experience that actually has one making radical changes in how they behave and thus, how they experience the world, is actually going to result in an overall shift in perceiving more of the ‘goodness’ of life. If you truly shed the baggage, the skies are gonna clear and the sensed feeling of 'goodness' is going to shine through more of the time. E draws stark lines of division between what he calls ‘peace’ and what he calls ‘happiness,’ but the reality is, feelings of goodness, feeling of well being, pertain to both of those. The distinction he should be emphasizing is that between ‘conditional happiness,’ happiness that is inextricably ‘tied to’ circumstance/experience, vs. happiness that arises independent of circumstance. SR, if it means the end of the baggage that had one finding all sorts of fault with life, does indeed result in a greater sense that life in general is well and good, and that does translate into ‘feeling good,' more of the time. It is only perpetual happiness that is tied to circumstance that is not possible, and the reason for that is that circumstances will never be purely, only ‘wanted’ in nature….there will always be some degree of circumstance arising/appearing that contains some degree of ‘not-liked’ stuff. It’s just the way this ‘world’ is wired. Contrast is part and parcel of the physical realm and it’s the movement between wanting/desiring and getting, that moves experience. E says; “Peace is a very different animal,” and it’s really not, not in the way that counts anyway. Perpetual peace does mean that life is overall, more enjoyable…..that overall, there is a greater sense of feeling good and emotionally balanced more often than not. But yes, it is different in the way that these good feelings are not ‘tied to’ what is happening in circumstance/appearance. I would say the difference between peace and conditional happiness is not so much that one is felt and the other isn't, but rather, that in one case the good feeling is inextricably ‘tied to’ a particular circumstance that conforms to my preference, whereas, with “Peace” the felt sense of goodness, is simply, not tied to anything in particular. It arises freely and naturally in the absence of that which otherwise obscure it. Peace that passes all understanding. I don’t know why I clicked here but oh well- I did. Ahh 2017, the good ole’ days 🤣. Ironically, I’ve never been happier or more at peace in the midst of war.
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Post by Figgles on Oct 10, 2021 18:53:20 GMT
Read this over on ST, and felt compelled to comment; A movement of experience that actually has one making radical changes in how they behave and thus, how they experience the world, is actually going to result in an overall shift in perceiving more of the ‘goodness’ of life. If you truly shed the baggage, the skies are gonna clear and the sensed feeling of 'goodness' is going to shine through more of the time. E draws stark lines of division between what he calls ‘peace’ and what he calls ‘happiness,’ but the reality is, feelings of goodness, feeling of well being, pertain to both of those. The distinction he should be emphasizing is that between ‘conditional happiness,’ happiness that is inextricably ‘tied to’ circumstance/experience, vs. happiness that arises independent of circumstance. SR, if it means the end of the baggage that had one finding all sorts of fault with life, does indeed result in a greater sense that life in general is well and good, and that does translate into ‘feeling good,' more of the time. It is only perpetual happiness that is tied to circumstance that is not possible, and the reason for that is that circumstances will never be purely, only ‘wanted’ in nature….there will always be some degree of circumstance arising/appearing that contains some degree of ‘not-liked’ stuff. It’s just the way this ‘world’ is wired. Contrast is part and parcel of the physical realm and it’s the movement between wanting/desiring and getting, that moves experience. E says; “Peace is a very different animal,” and it’s really not, not in the way that counts anyway. Perpetual peace does mean that life is overall, more enjoyable…..that overall, there is a greater sense of feeling good and emotionally balanced more often than not. But yes, it is different in the way that these good feelings are not ‘tied to’ what is happening in circumstance/appearance. I would say the difference between peace and conditional happiness is not so much that one is felt and the other isn't, but rather, that in one case the good feeling is inextricably ‘tied to’ a particular circumstance that conforms to my preference, whereas, with “Peace” the felt sense of goodness, is simply, not tied to anything in particular. It arises freely and naturally in the absence of that which otherwise obscure it. Peace that passes all understanding. I don’t know why I clicked here but oh well- I did. Ahh 2017, the good ole’ days 🤣. Ironically, I’ve never been happier or more at peace in the midst of war. Wow...that is really cool to read now--I'm glad you pulled it up! I don't completely disagree with Figgles 2017 there, the absence of SVP after all, does have ramifications in terms of experience, but I clearly see now the subtle "bridge" I was still imagining....the failure to fully see through/realize 'absence'.....the attempt (need!) to conceptualize where only seeing through/realization will do. I think is why I am presently so focused upon pointing away from those conceptualizations in certain posters posts.....it's still pretty fresh in the big scheme... Not so long ago....I was doing it too!... fell prey to that very same misconception.....that very same personal drive to keep one SVP foot in the game.....
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