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Post by Figgles on May 21, 2017 17:03:43 GMT
And I say that nobody, who is a sentient being, is supposed to feel/be/think oneself to be at peace as long as humans are being killed by other humans, animals live under horrorble conditions and Nature is polluted and destroyed on a daily basis by humans, who deal in feeling good by accumulating/hording a lot of stuff/money/property for the sake of avoiding to face the true conditions the earth is in. So, who ever pretends to be at peace with all that will have an unpleasant awakening one day when there isn't an ego (egoic state of mind) any longer that can keep one seperated from all the suffering that is in the so called collective unconscious (mind) we all share. IMO, very few people have the (divine) right to just be at peace with everything. The earth is very fragile even without being threatened from the inside by its own population (humans), who, on top of floating around in space on a tiny planet, play with atomic bombs and are war-mongering around with other explosives, and polluting the planet with producing stuff nobody really needs or even wants without being brainwashed about it. You're at peace with the condition the earth currently is in? You're at peace while others are suffering? (I'm using the term you in a general, not in a personal sense here.)
It is a miracle that planet earth, and we along with it, still exist. And no, I'm not at peace. I'm scared shitless when I think about where I am and who seem to run the show here on earth. And I don't even watch TV, read news-papers or listen to the radio. The sequence of Being>Feeling>Thinking would result in successful action or Doing. If our thoughts are based on genuine feelings that spring from our deepest Being, then the outcome of the process, the actions we take as a result, will be successful. If one percent of the world's population got onboard with this, the one percent being the critical mass, then what you've described will change. Pass it on.... Likes same post twice.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 17:34:29 GMT
The sequence of Being>Feeling>Thinking would result in successful action or Doing. If our thoughts are based on genuine feelings that spring from our deepest Being, then the outcome of the process, the actions we take as a result, will be successful. If one percent of the world's population got onboard with this, the one percent being the critical mass, then what you've described will change. Pass it on.... Likes same post twice. I kinda miss, dusty. Maybe one day he'll just show up. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 18:43:24 GMT
And I say that nobody, who is a sentient being, is supposed to feel/be/think oneself to be at peace as long as humans are being killed by other humans, animals live under horrorble conditions and Nature is polluted and destroyed on a daily basis by humans, who deal in feeling good by accumulating/hording a lot of stuff/money/property for the sake of avoiding to face the true conditions the earth is in. So, who ever pretends to be at peace with all that will have an unpleasant awakening one day when there isn't an ego (egoic state of mind) any longer that can keep one seperated from all the suffering that is in the so called collective unconscious (mind) we all share. IMO, very few people have the (divine) right to just be at peace with everything. The earth is very fragile even without being threatened from the inside by its own population (humans), who, on top of floating around in space on a tiny planet, play with atomic bombs and are war-mongering around with other explosives, and polluting the planet with producing stuff nobody really needs or even wants without being brainwashed about it. You're at peace with the condition the earth currently is in? You're at peace while others are suffering? (I'm using the term you in a general, not in a personal sense here.)
It is a miracle that planet earth, and we along with it, still exist. And no, I'm not at peace. I'm scared shitless when I think about where I am and who seem to run the show here on earth. And I don't even watch TV, read news-papers or listen to the radio. When one is mired in heartsick pain over the 'horrors' of physicality, he might indeed be launching very strong desires for something to change for the better, but if he stays stuck in that position, he's simply not 'open' to receiving the inspiration for solutions that will come the moment he steps beyond that, towards hope, towards faith, towards knowing that despite appearances, all is fundamentally well and good. Yes, I completely agree, Love pervails, inspite of "seeing the lousy stuff happening on earth". And yes, "fundamentally all is well and good" for those who have given up to suffer from all kinds of self-made first world problems and are instead utterly thankfull and happy for not living in a war-zone, not being homeless or the victim of injustice or other kinds of personal hard-ships. That is the kind being at peace that is a negative form of peace, the absence of personal suffering. But there might still remain the knowledge/nagging feeling that others (and animals and nature) are still not that lucky. And if this is a non-dual reality, as some proclaim, not just the good stuff gets shared with the whole, the totality, but also the nasty and bad stuff. As in there is something like personal and collective responsibility. Personally one might be allright and free from the guilt of being part of the problem, but collectively one is still in the pool as long as one is alive and around here on planet earth. And there is no escape from being a part of the totality. We're all in this together. |
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Post by Figgles on May 21, 2017 19:05:26 GMT
Being abidingly at peace means seeing all the lousy stuff happening on earth, but also being certain that in spite of that, Love prevails. It really is the best position to be in to receive inspiration as to the best ways to immediately 'help.' When one is mired in heartsick pain over the 'horrors' of physicality, he might indeed be launching very strong desires for something to change for the better, but if he stays stuck in that position, he's simply not 'open' to receiving the inspiration for solutions that will come the moment he steps beyond that, towards hope, towards faith, towards knowing that despite appearances, all is fundamentally well and good. Yes, I completely agree, Love pervails, inspite of "seeing the lousy stuff happening on earth". And yes, "fundamentally all is well and good" for those who have given up to suffer from all kinds of self-made first world problems and are instead utterly thankfull and happy for not living in a war-zone, not being homeless or the victim of injustice or other kinds of personal hard-ships. That is the kind being at peace that is a negative form of peace, the absence of personal suffering. But there might still remain the knowledge/nagging feeling that others (and animals and nature) are still not that lucky. And if this is a non-dual reality, as some proclaim, not just the good stuff gets shared with the whole, the totality, but also the nasty and bad stuff. As in there is something like personal and collective responsibility. Personally one might be allright and free from the guilt of being part of the problem, but collectively one is still in pool, so to speak. And there is no escape from that. We're all in this together.Yes, absolutely. And to realize with that, there there is fundamentally only ONE, adds a deeper layer of poignancy to that seeing. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 19:10:21 GMT
Figgles obviously advocate the idea of peace as feeling but that's wrong. If you experience peace time to time against irritation and anger, then that's not peace, Peace is free looking or absence of avoiding the moment. Peace isn't a quality of the heart? The heart feels. If you consider peace as movement of feeling then it changes quickly. If you relies on feeling then you will be in peace for sometime and you will not be in peace for some other time. If that is the case, then you are not in peace. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 19:13:03 GMT
No, they differ. Enigma consider that Peace is not a feeling, but Figgles obviously does. And I am standing on the side of Enigma here. Because any feeling moves towards it's opposite. And I say that nobody, who is a sentient being, is supposed to feel/be/think oneself to be at peace as long as humans are being killed by other humans, animals live under horrorble conditions and Nature is polluted and destroyed on a daily basis by humans, who deal in feeling good by accumulating/hording a lot of stuff/money/property for the sake of avoiding to face the true conditions the earth is in. So, who ever pretends to be at peace with all that will have an unpleasant awakening one day when there isn't an ego (egoic state of mind) any longer that can keep one seperated from all the suffering that is in the so called collective unconscious (mind) we all share. IMO, very few people have the (divine) right to just be at peace with everything. The earth is very fragile even without being threatened from the inside by its own population (humans), who, on top of floating around in space on a tiny planet, play with atomic bombs and are war-mongering around with other explosives, and polluting the planet with producing stuff nobody really needs or even wants without being brainwashed about it. You're at peace with the condition the earth currently is in? You're at peace while others are suffering? (I'm using the term you in a general, not in a personal sense here.)
It is a miracle that planet earth, and we along with it, still exist. And no, I'm not at peace. I'm scared shitless when I think about where I am and who seem to run the show here on earth. And I don't even watch TV, read news-papers or listen to the radio. Everybody lives in their own personal universe, that's your sphere of life. You are in peace or not depends upon the story which is happening in your sphere of life, eh? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 19:16:04 GMT
And I say that nobody, who is a sentient being, is supposed to feel/be/think oneself to be at peace as long as humans are being killed by other humans, animals live under horrorble conditions and Nature is polluted and destroyed on a daily basis by humans, who deal in feeling good by accumulating/hording a lot of stuff/money/property for the sake of avoiding to face the true conditions the earth is in. So, who ever pretends to be at peace with all that will have an unpleasant awakening one day when there isn't an ego (egoic state of mind) any longer that can keep one seperated from all the suffering that is in the so called collective unconscious (mind) we all share. IMO, very few people have the (divine) right to just be at peace with everything. The earth is very fragile even without being threatened from the inside by its own population (humans), who, on top of floating around in space on a tiny planet, play with atomic bombs and are war-mongering around with other explosives, and polluting the planet with producing stuff nobody really needs or even wants without being brainwashed about it. You're at peace with the condition the earth currently is in? You're at peace while others are suffering? (I'm using the term you in a general, not in a personal sense here.)
It is a miracle that planet earth, and we along with it, still exist. And no, I'm not at peace. I'm scared shitless when I think about where I am and who seem to run the show here on earth. And I don't even watch TV, read news-papers or listen to the radio. The sequence of Being>Feeling>Thinking would result in successful action or Doing. If our thoughts are based on genuine feelings that spring from our deepest Being, then the outcome of the process, the actions we take as a result, will be successful. If one percent of the world's population got onboard with this, the one percent being the critical mass, then what you've described will change. Pass it on.... Our task is to not to change the world, Our task is to change our personal universe through clarity. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 19:19:15 GMT
No, they differ. Enigma consider that Peace is not a feeling, but Figgles obviously does. And I am standing on the side of Enigma here. Because any feeling moves towards it's opposite. My stance is that Peace is 'known' through experience. Absent experience, there'd be nothing to talk about. I think recently E has agreed with that...not wholly sure though. I fully acknowledge that which gives rise to known/experienced Peace, IS indeed "absence". If Peace is not known through experience, then that's not peace. So you are correct but you are assuming something different than me. If you think peace is a kind of feeling which is experienced in your life, then you are wrong, If you think life without suffering is peace, then you must be correct. When you will be in peace? The simple answer is, when you do not suffer, right? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 19:21:14 GMT
Yes, I completely agree, Love pervails, inspite of "seeing the lousy stuff happening on earth". And yes, "fundamentally all is well and good" for those who have given up to suffer from all kinds of self-made first world problems and are instead utterly thankfull and happy for not living in a war-zone, not being homeless or the victim of injustice or other kinds of personal hard-ships. That is the kind being at peace that is a negative form of peace, the absence of personal suffering. But there might still remain the knowledge/nagging feeling that others (and animals and nature) are still not that lucky. And if this is a non-dual reality, as some proclaim, not just the good stuff gets shared with the whole, the totality, but also the nasty and bad stuff. As in there is something like personal and collective responsibility. Personally one might be allright and free from the guilt of being part of the problem, but collectively one is still in pool, so to speak. And there is no escape from that. We're all in this together.Yes, absolutely. And to realize with that, there there is fundamentally only ONE, adds a deeper layer of poignancy to that seeing. "Only ONE" what? Only one force? Only one God? Only one higher intelligence? Only one love? "There is fundamentally only ONE"? And that "ONE" is also the cause (and the result) of suffering then? I'm sincerely and honestly asking what that means regarding the topic of happiness that "there is fundamentally only ONE". Does mean that you are god and you tell me, "everything is gonna be alright because I say/feel/think so" ? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 19:21:52 GMT
Figgles obviously advocate the idea of peace as feeling but that's wrong. If you experience peace time to time against irritation and anger, then that's not peace, Peace is free looking or absence of avoiding the moment. You are essentially saying peace is a particular kind of experience there, aren't you?...how is that so different from my saying peace is known through experience? I have answered in the above reply Peace is absence of suffering. If you are in irritation or in anger, are you in peace? Yes little irritation may not be a problem, but what if irritation leads to the anger? |
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