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Post by Esponja on Apr 17, 2021 2:28:06 GMT
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Post by Esponja on Apr 17, 2021 13:34:05 GMT
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Post by Figgles on Apr 17, 2021 18:34:47 GMT
Wonderful! The fact that Reefs is reacting to your posting of it on ST as he is, demonstrates his own rigidity and need to control the dialogue over there. Ridiculous that he's completely up for talking about LOA, which is a practice to improve the dream and NOT Truth/nonduality, but when it comes to talk about a major shift in dream-content/story line, it's suddenly 'too political' and not appropriate for the forum. Of what importance IS awakening/SR if it doesn't in some way impact experience? And while SR is not awakening to the consensus trance, I think most of us agree that awakening to the consensus trance, becoming more conscious as to WIBIBO, becoming more heart centric and intuitive in our approach to life, vs. mind centric, is important and a close 2nd to SR, which in comparison, is relatively rare. The experience of masses awakening to the consensus trance, to look deeper, to become more consciously aware of what's going on, should be front-row-center of any and all spiritual conversations right now. Surely if LOA figures in as a relevant/approved topic, a shift in the conscious awareness of the masses, should also be considered relevant. Wow--hair trigger response much? Which is precisely what the focus of the video is!! The rigid belief systems for the large part, just happen to pertain to 'politics.' Don't let that turn you off from what's being said. Clearly you have some very rigid belief systems around the discussion of politics...like many, there's a knee-jerk reaction when you hear it. THAT is something you'd do well to look into. We can discuss world politics without being 'political.' It requires an expanded view....a vantage point from beyond the confines of either political ideology to look at what's actually going on with it all. Is "Seth" non-duality? How about AH? That's mostly what you post about these days and mostly what you've posted about for some time now. You've also talked a lot about CC/Kensho and how the addition of knowing one comes away with is a vital facet of SR, a view that completely flies in the face of what you used to say about realization always being a subtraction/seeing through/, ultimately, resulting in an absence where previously there was the presence of knowing. Mystical experience...CC/Kensho talk is not nonduality talk. The fact that the mere subject of politics so often, deeply engages mind, fortifying the false sense of self, in and of itself is an important thing to look at--it's not a given if/when those discussing politics are conscious, mature adults. LOA is also a topic that engages the false self/SVP, yet you don't seem to have any problem with LOA talk. Absent an SVP, who is it that wants so badly for experience to be different than what it is, that practices and processes will be employed? Oh man...the irony!!  You've always had such difficulty Reefs seeing the mote in your own eye... "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." |
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Post by Figgles on Apr 17, 2021 18:53:22 GMT
Yes, pretty easy to see the flawed premises there, even for one not fully awake/SR, merely 'concious' as to WIBIGO. What's not quite as easy to see, is that the LOA idea in terms of "Truth" is just as flawed. It starts with assuming there is a some-one in play who has volitional control of focus/direction of thought, whose desires will become manifest if he as an entity/volitional person can someone 'align' with something called Source which exists 'to be' either aligned with, or not.
Your deep and continued interest in the teachings of Seth and Abraham Hicks and the amount of time you currently spend talking about them on a forum that you say is mostly dedicated to Nonduality, seems to indicate that you are not seeing those flawful premises for what they are.
The entire realm of the experiential is appearance/only, empty of Truth and that includes any sense of directing focus towards arising desires and that focus being causal/catalyst to manifestation of desired stuff.
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Post by Figgles on Apr 17, 2021 19:00:28 GMT
Excellent post. This really stands out...
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Post by Esponja on Apr 17, 2021 23:00:12 GMT
Wonderful! The fact that Reefs is reacting to your posting of it on ST as he is, demonstrates his own rigidity and need to control the dialogue over there. Ridiculous that he's completely up for talking about LOA, which is a practice to improve the dream and NOT Truth/nonduality, but when it comes to talk about a major shift in dream-content/story line, it's suddenly 'too political' and not appropriate for the forum. Of what importance IS awakening/SR if it doesn't in some way impact experience? And while SR is not awakening to the consensus trance, I think most of us agree that awakening to the consensus trance, becoming more conscious as to WIBIBO, becoming more heart centric and intuitive in our approach to life, vs. mind centric, is important and a close 2nd to SR, which in comparison, is relatively rare. The experience of masses awakening to the consensus trance, to look deeper, to become more consciously aware of what's going on, should be front-row-center of any and all spiritual conversations right now. Surely if LOA figures in as a relevant/approved topic, a shift in the conscious awareness of the masses, should also be considered relevant. Wow--hair trigger response much? Which is precisely what the focus of the video is!! The rigid belief systems for the large part, just happen to pertain to 'politics.' Don't let that turn you off from what's being said. Clearly you have some very rigid belief systems around the discussion of politics...like many, there's a knee-jerk reaction when you hear it. THAT is something you'd do well to look into. We can discuss world politics without being 'political.' It requires an expanded view....a vantage point from beyond the confines of either political ideology to look at what's actually going on with it all. Is "Seth" non-duality? How about AH? That's mostly what you post about these days and mostly what you've posted about for some time now. You've also talked a lot about CC/Kensho and how the addition of knowing one comes away with is a vital facet of SR, a view that completely flies in the face of what you used to say about realization always being a subtraction/seeing through/, ultimately, resulting in an absence where previously there was the presence of knowing. Mystical experience...CC/Kensho talk is not nonduality talk. The fact that the mere subject of politics so often, deeply engages mind, fortifying the false sense of self, in and of itself is an important thing to look at--it's not a given if/when those discussing politics are conscious, mature adults. LOA is also a topic that engages the false self/SVP, yet you don't seem to have any problem with LOA talk. Absent an SVP, who is it that wants so badly for experience to be different than what it is, that practices and processes will be employed? Oh man...the irony!! You've always had such difficulty Reefs seeing the mote in your own eye... "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." I’ll read everything here but I didn’t even bother to read his response. Absolute joke, I removed my posts, had asked Runstill to do the same and told Reefs to remove if not right. Why not just remove it and be done with it? He didn’t even watch it. Runstill was triggered by the one Trump comment and that was enough for him to jump to conclusions. Talk about asleep. I am sick of people in spiritual circles not practising what they preach, for him that’s alignment. Why enter into a situation that has now made a member annoyed and I’ll probably leave when the path of least resistance would have been to simply delete the message? Odd to say the least. We are controlled enough at the moment and I do not go onto forums to feel more controlled and belittled, life is too short. **edit this to say Runstill was not triggered. We exchanged a decent exchange between us behind the scenes. |
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Post by Esponja on Apr 17, 2021 23:12:22 GMT
Wonderful! The fact that Reefs is reacting to your posting of it on ST as he is, demonstrates his own rigidity and need to control the dialogue over there. Ridiculous that he's completely up for talking about LOA, which is a practice to improve the dream and NOT Truth/nonduality, but when it comes to talk about a major shift in dream-content/story line, it's suddenly 'too political' and not appropriate for the forum. Of what importance IS awakening/SR if it doesn't in some way impact experience? And while SR is not awakening to the consensus trance, I think most of us agree that awakening to the consensus trance, becoming more conscious as to WIBIBO, becoming more heart centric and intuitive in our approach to life, vs. mind centric, is important and a close 2nd to SR, which in comparison, is relatively rare. The experience of masses awakening to the consensus trance, to look deeper, to become more consciously aware of what's going on, should be front-row-center of any and all spiritual conversations right now. Surely if LOA figures in as a relevant/approved topic, a shift in the conscious awareness of the masses, should also be considered relevant. Wow--hair trigger response much? Which is precisely what the focus of the video is!! The rigid belief systems for the large part, just happen to pertain to 'politics.' Don't let that turn you off from what's being said. Clearly you have some very rigid belief systems around the discussion of politics...like many, there's a knee-jerk reaction when you hear it. THAT is something you'd do well to look into. We can discuss world politics without being 'political.' It requires an expanded view....a vantage point from beyond the confines of either political ideology to look at what's actually going on with it all. Is "Seth" non-duality? How about AH? That's mostly what you post about these days and mostly what you've posted about for some time now. You've also talked a lot about CC/Kensho and how the addition of knowing one comes away with is a vital facet of SR, a view that completely flies in the face of what you used to say about realization always being a subtraction/seeing through/, ultimately, resulting in an absence where previously there was the presence of knowing. Mystical experience...CC/Kensho talk is not nonduality talk. The fact that the mere subject of politics so often, deeply engages mind, fortifying the false sense of self, in and of itself is an important thing to look at--it's not a given if/when those discussing politics are conscious, mature adults. LOA is also a topic that engages the false self/SVP, yet you don't seem to have any problem with LOA talk. Absent an SVP, who is it that wants so badly for experience to be different than what it is, that practices and processes will be employed? Oh man...the irony!! You've always had such difficulty Reefs seeing the mote in your own eye... "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." I can’t bring myself to read it to be honest, just like he didn’t watch the video. New Agers are all about ‘alignment’ whilst burrying their head in the sand around important topics it’s cult like behaviour. We are here to grow and unite not add to division and suppress anything. It’s all oneness. I loved John’s video personally. |
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Post by Figgles on Apr 17, 2021 23:18:11 GMT
Wonderful! The fact that Reefs is reacting to your posting of it on ST as he is, demonstrates his own rigidity and need to control the dialogue over there. Ridiculous that he's completely up for talking about LOA, which is a practice to improve the dream and NOT Truth/nonduality, but when it comes to talk about a major shift in dream-content/story line, it's suddenly 'too political' and not appropriate for the forum. Of what importance IS awakening/SR if it doesn't in some way impact experience? And while SR is not awakening to the consensus trance, I think most of us agree that awakening to the consensus trance, becoming more conscious as to WIBIBO, becoming more heart centric and intuitive in our approach to life, vs. mind centric, is important and a close 2nd to SR, which in comparison, is relatively rare. The experience of masses awakening to the consensus trance, to look deeper, to become more consciously aware of what's going on, should be front-row-center of any and all spiritual conversations right now. Surely if LOA figures in as a relevant/approved topic, a shift in the conscious awareness of the masses, should also be considered relevant. Wow--hair trigger response much? Which is precisely what the focus of the video is!! The rigid belief systems for the large part, just happen to pertain to 'politics.' Don't let that turn you off from what's being said. Clearly you have some very rigid belief systems around the discussion of politics...like many, there's a knee-jerk reaction when you hear it. THAT is something you'd do well to look into. We can discuss world politics without being 'political.' It requires an expanded view....a vantage point from beyond the confines of either political ideology to look at what's actually going on with it all. Is "Seth" non-duality? How about AH? That's mostly what you post about these days and mostly what you've posted about for some time now. You've also talked a lot about CC/Kensho and how the addition of knowing one comes away with is a vital facet of SR, a view that completely flies in the face of what you used to say about realization always being a subtraction/seeing through/, ultimately, resulting in an absence where previously there was the presence of knowing. Mystical experience...CC/Kensho talk is not nonduality talk. The fact that the mere subject of politics so often, deeply engages mind, fortifying the false sense of self, in and of itself is an important thing to look at--it's not a given if/when those discussing politics are conscious, mature adults. LOA is also a topic that engages the false self/SVP, yet you don't seem to have any problem with LOA talk. Absent an SVP, who is it that wants so badly for experience to be different than what it is, that practices and processes will be employed? Oh man...the irony!! You've always had such difficulty Reefs seeing the mote in your own eye... "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." I’ll read everything here but I didn’t even bother to read his response. Absolute joke, I removed my posts, had asked Runstill to do the same and told Reefs to remove if not right. Why not just remove it and be done with it? He didn’t even watch it. Runstill was triggered by the one Trump comment and that was enough for him to jump to conclusions. Talk about asleep. I am sick of people in spiritual circles not practising what they preach, for him that’s alignment. Why enter into a situation that has now made a member annoyed and I’ll probably leave when the path of least resistance would have been to simply delete the message? Odd to say the least. We are controlled enough at the moment and I do not go onto forums to feel more controlled and belittled, life is too short. Perfectly put. Reefs talks a good talk about path of least resistance, being in alignment, directing focus to that which is most allowing, but over and over again, as he moderates that forum, he exemplifies what it means to have a person at the fore-front, trying to orchestrate into conditions that please the person. The path of least of resistance on any forum is to all conversations to go where they go.....if abject hate speech or obvious incivility arise, it's fine to call that out, but the fine-tuned orchestration that Reefs is applying, truly is akin to so much of the control we are currently seeing in play on the web and in social media. Surely to God, there is no place for that shit on a so called "Nonduality, Spirituality forum." |
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Post by Esponja on Apr 17, 2021 23:31:59 GMT
I’ll read everything here but I didn’t even bother to read his response. Absolute joke, I removed my posts, had asked Runstill to do the same and told Reefs to remove if not right. Why not just remove it and be done with it? He didn’t even watch it. Runstill was triggered by the one Trump comment and that was enough for him to jump to conclusions. Talk about asleep. I am sick of people in spiritual circles not practising what they preach, for him that’s alignment. Why enter into a situation that has now made a member annoyed and I’ll probably leave when the path of least resistance would have been to simply delete the message? Odd to say the least. We are controlled enough at the moment and I do not go onto forums to feel more controlled and belittled, life is too short. Perfectly put. Reefs talks a good talk about path of least resistance, being in alignment, directing focus to that which is most allowing, but over and over again, as he moderates that forum, he exemplifies what it means to have a person at the fore-front, trying to orchestrate into conditions that please the person. The path of least of resistance on any forum is to all conversations to go where they go.....if abject hate speech or obvious incivility arise, it's fine to call that out, but the fine-tuned orchestration that Reefs is applying, truly is akin to so much of the control we are currently seeing in play on the web and in social media. Surely to God, there is no place for that shit on a so called "Nonduality, Spirituality forum." Yes, this is why the Reset will probably work because of people’s refusal to see it due to their political bias or refusal to move out of ‘alignment’. I see it happening over on Dr Joe’s pages, anyone with a more ‘right of wing’ opinion (I hate that term but let’s use it for ease here) has been banned so as not to upset the others. Cancel culture. He says the work is to stay focused on raising vibration but that line of thinking creates a cult where nobody can complain or express a differing opinion, it’s so dangerous. Especially in the current climate. |
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Post by Esponja on Apr 18, 2021 2:23:30 GMT
I managed to discuss all of this on a Sailor Bob Satsang today, it was amazing, pointing back to This which is what John does in this video for those that bothered to look at it without living in their ‘story’ of Spongey is political and is trying to disobey the rules🙄 Sorry but that forum is not non-dual at all!!! Amazing how there is no recognition of creating people leaving the forum.. where’s the responsibility there  😂 This is where I now struggle with New Agers, they just do not seem to walk their talk, because ultimately there is no controller, life is doing it. Yes I love to speak non-duality and awakening but you can’t do it it the mod is not actually awake. So I will not be back there now. |
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