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This is good Apr 18, 2021 2:40:55 GMT via mobile Figgles likes this

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Post by Esponja on Apr 18, 2021 2:40:55 GMT

Cancel culture functions the same way cancer functions in the body, attacking fellow cells as it’s method of spreading. Instead of using its life energy to stand for something constructive, it spends its life energy trying to destroy others. It uses bulling as its method of operation while claiming to be virtuous. This is both emotionally violent and gas lighting.
Those in cancel culture get to feel a sense of purpose and significance through the power of hurting others. Those who allow themselves to be controlled by cancel culture are acting out of fear and choose to be weak rather than strong.
Those who are immune to cancel culture have courage and are unwaveringly aligned with a greater purpose than being influenced by bullies. Their psychological immune systems don’t let cancel culture in, the same way a healthy body’s immune system doesn’t let cancer in.
Bravery, strength, purpose, and common sense will help compost cancel culture into something better. And it’s happening 🙌🏽
#CancelCancelCulture

JPSpears 🙏🏼 Amen

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This is good Apr 18, 2021 5:06:40 GMT

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Post by Figgles on Apr 18, 2021 5:06:40 GMT

Apr 18, 2021 2:23:30 GMT Esponja said:

I managed to discuss all of this on a Sailor Bob Satsang today, it was amazing, pointing back to This which is what John does in this video for those that bothered to look at it without living in their ‘story’ of Spongey is political and is trying to disobey the rules🙄

Sorry but that forum is not non-dual at all!!!

Amazing how there is no recognition of creating people leaving the forum.. where’s the responsibility there 😂
This is where I now struggle with New Agers, they just do not seem to walk their talk, because ultimately there is no controller, life is doing it.

Yes I love to speak non-duality and awakening but you can’t do it it the mod is not actually awake. So I will not be back there now.

Yeah, exactly. I've been there too....he admonishes and blames you for creating a bad energy on the forum, all the while, he's writing line after line, each one fully getting his digs in, explaining why you suck and in how many ways...lol....somehow completely lacking awareness that he is in the throes of the very behavior that he's specifically railing against! It's f-ing crazy!!

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This is good Apr 18, 2021 5:16:14 GMT

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Post by Figgles on Apr 18, 2021 5:16:14 GMT

Reefs: Well, that's a classic. Accusing the other of having control issues while insisting that the other do exactly as you want to have it. Just look at the absurdity of all of this!

Obviously you feel offended. But remember, you asked for this. You wanted this. You could have just stopped the first time I asked you to stop. Sure, there are more elegant and more ego-pampering ways of sorting this out (which I actually tried several times) but there comes a point when a spade needs to be called a spade.

Not trying to add insult to injury here, but what happened to your great realization that there's no 'I' and that it's all just stories? And how fantastic and hilarious that all is? What you are writing here comes across as if you never had that realization. What happened? You see, it's not that hard to grasp non-duality conceptually and doing the talk, but it is quite something different to actually get it and walk the talk.

Yes, I think taking a break would be a good idea.

Does seeing through the personal self mean never again rising up to express caring about an in the dream issue? If so, you better check your behavior there.

You keep putting forth these kinds of mistaken assumptions about what it's like to 'be awake.' There's still caring about the dream....you don't become robot-like or a doormat to all appearing arseholes who who try to wipe their feet on you just because you see it all to be 'appearance only.'

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This is good Apr 18, 2021 9:52:33 GMT

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Post by muttley on Apr 18, 2021 9:52:33 GMT

Apr 17, 2021 19:00:28 GMT Figgles said:

Muttley: One of the highest stakes hands of identity poker I played - essentially the last - was "I am Consciousness". A subconscious assumption about how consciousness emerges from the physical seems to me a very common state of mind. A glorious and auspicious confusion is the likely result of cutting that loose, without allowing the intellect to monkey-branch to some new tree to rest on.

For me it was surprising, first getting conscious to the ineffability of the question, and even then, even knowing that there was no idea that could answer it, I kept noticing this subconscious hitch, this hiccup, this recurring pattern of mind. The pattern that is convinced of the lie. The last few months - finally - there was no intellectual component to the questioning. It was just "what is this??", whenever I noticed a self-referential movement, with the mind otherwise quite quiet. This is why I rezz with the "not-knowing" pointing.

Excellent post. This really stands out...

Glad you rezzed - clearly, from over the years, we share quite a bit in common.

Now, can you imagine that there are people who've realized the Truth without ever having gone through any sort of not knowing? I can even allow for how some people who have realized might go through a phase where they simply don't recognize the beauty, simplicity and existential truth of pointing to the profound emptiness of the phenomenal world. That phase might even be indefinite, as for them, it would require an informing of mind. Mostly, the objectors are clingers of some sort, and the flip side is that what is realized is a commonality, but, realization doesn't mean the ability to understand all perspectives, not by a long shot.

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This is good Apr 18, 2021 18:37:27 GMT

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Post by Figgles on Apr 18, 2021 18:37:27 GMT

Apr 18, 2021 9:52:33 GMT muttley said:

Apr 17, 2021 19:00:28 GMT Figgles said:

Excellent post. This really stands out...

Glad you rezzed - clearly, from over the years, we share quite a bit in common.

Yup.

Now, can you imagine that there are people who've realized the Truth without ever having gone through any sort of not knowing? I can even allow for how some people who have realized might go through a phase where they simply don't recognize the beauty, simplicity and existential truth of pointing to the profound emptiness of the phenomenal world. That phase might even be indefinite, as for them, it would require an informing of mind. Mostly, the objectors are clingers of some sort, and the flip side is that what is realized is a commonality, but, realization doesn't mean the ability to understand all perspectives, not by a long shot.

I can't, because if there was no previous knowledge that required seeing through....knowing that fell away and in it's wake left 'not knowing,' then they were already realized. To realize the Truth is see that stuff you believed you knew for absolute certain, you actually don't...and that stuff you thought was actually true, wasn't. Awakening means seeing the inherent emptiness of all that appears....it means seeing that what is actually known for certain...what CAN be known, is miniscule.

SR/Awakening is the seeing of what is not actually so. There was previous knowing of separation, of an SVP and then separation gets seen through. There is a profound 'unknowing' in that seeing through.

Waking up is all about 'not knowing and 'not knowing' really is an absence.

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This is good Apr 18, 2021 20:56:26 GMT

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Post by Figgles on Apr 18, 2021 20:56:26 GMT

Muttley: Despite what he wrote about proving his point about dreams, his position (re-read the OP) isn't ultimately that he can prove there is no outer world, but more that you can't prove to him that there is.

Yes. There's an absence of absolute, certain knowledge regarding an objective/outer world.

Not knowing.

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This is good Apr 18, 2021 21:12:17 GMT via mobile

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Post by Esponja on Apr 18, 2021 21:12:17 GMT

Apr 18, 2021 5:16:14 GMT Figgles said:

Reefs: Well, that's a classic. Accusing the other of having control issues while insisting that the other do exactly as you want to have it. Just look at the absurdity of all of this!

Obviously you feel offended. But remember, you asked for this. You wanted this. You could have just stopped the first time I asked you to stop. Sure, there are more elegant and more ego-pampering ways of sorting this out (which I actually tried several times) but there comes a point when a spade needs to be called a spade.

Not trying to add insult to injury here, but what happened to your great realization that there's no 'I' and that it's all just stories? And how fantastic and hilarious that all is? What you are writing here comes across as if you never had that realization. What happened? You see, it's not that hard to grasp non-duality conceptually and doing the talk, but it is quite something different to actually get it and walk the talk.

Yes, I think taking a break would be a good idea.

Does seeing through the personal self mean never again rising up to express caring about an in the dream issue? If so, you better check your behavior there.

You keep putting forth these kinds of mistaken assumptions about what it's like to 'be awake.' There's still caring about the dream....you don't become robot-like or a doormat to all appearing arseholes who who try to wipe their feet on you just because you see it all to be 'appearance only.'

Yes, in my view he has not seen past the illusion and is stuck in some weird Law Of Attraction fantasy land. So how does he explain this happening on his forum? Was his vibe off?
By the way, I agree with moderating forums if done fairly, I don’t agree with side-stepping world issues in an attempt to pander to the ones that refuse to go there. This is about ‘triggers’ and awakening, point back to the Truth, if you really want to moderate.
I will never consent to unjust behaviours.

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Post by Esponja on Apr 18, 2021 21:25:26 GMT

Apr 18, 2021 5:16:14 GMT Figgles said:

Reefs: Well, that's a classic. Accusing the other of having control issues while insisting that the other do exactly as you want to have it. Just look at the absurdity of all of this!

Obviously you feel offended. But remember, you asked for this. You wanted this. You could have just stopped the first time I asked you to stop. Sure, there are more elegant and more ego-pampering ways of sorting this out (which I actually tried several times) but there comes a point when a spade needs to be called a spade.

Not trying to add insult to injury here, but what happened to your great realization that there's no 'I' and that it's all just stories? And how fantastic and hilarious that all is? What you are writing here comes across as if you never had that realization. What happened? You see, it's not that hard to grasp non-duality conceptually and doing the talk, but it is quite something different to actually get it and walk the talk.

Yes, I think taking a break would be a good idea.

Does seeing through the personal self mean never again rising up to express caring about an in the dream issue? If so, you better check your behavior there.

You keep putting forth these kinds of mistaken assumptions about what it's like to 'be awake.' There's still caring about the dream....you don't become robot-like or a doormat to all appearing arseholes who who try to wipe their feet on you just because you see it all to be 'appearance only.'

Thank you, yes quite remarkable but I was fully expecting the ‘you’re not awake’ ‘I’m better than you’ remark. He was waiting for the opportunity it appears.
Yes this conditioned mind is still operating, in time it may change, it may not, who cares? It has values, likes, dislikes and strength. Watch a dog, it has instinct to move or attack, growl, bite.. there is no svp there, the next minute it is happily chewing on s biscuit. What arises, arises.
The difference is the holding onto stories. If someone did something once you don’t hold onto that you meet them in presence.

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This is good Apr 18, 2021 21:38:11 GMT via mobile

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Post by Esponja on Apr 18, 2021 21:38:11 GMT

From ZAzeniac:
‘’I it hard to believe knowing how intelligent and intuitive you are and being aware of the views of others here that you didn't know it would garner the reaction it did. In fact, you mention the word "trigger" in the OP. Now honestly, I have no problem with you posting your views. But just as you surmise that my response, the complete opposite view in political terms, is born of conditioning and unconscious, it seems to me that yours have the same source. I don't know if there's a great awakening. It's not relevant because the dream is perfect whether there is or isn't. Only the ego thinks it can improve on it. I'm working on stepping back and watching Shiva dance’

I’ll reply here because I don’t want to log on.
Finding it hard to believe does not make it right. I genuinely thought the video was great my intentions were NOT malicious, only I know that not anyone else, but his political bias is what caused a problem. What’s the problem with triggers? Use them to awaken further, that’s why we are here!!!
He doesn’t know about a Great Awakening??? Wow!!!

I agree on the very last point; it is ego wanting to change and improve it. Totally but on a non-dual forum, let’s have the common decency to listen to one another and seek to understand, if not here and now, where? When?

It really is funny when you consider that both Farmer and Invalen have come after me a couple of times over there but I’ve simply ignored them, does feel like a bit of discrimination against women looking at it now. Am not usually one who bothers about that sort of stuff but certainly does feel like one rule for one and another for others. Oh well. Everything changes,

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Post by Figgles on Apr 18, 2021 21:53:22 GMT

Apr 18, 2021 21:12:17 GMT Esponja said:

Apr 18, 2021 5:16:14 GMT Figgles said:

Does seeing through the personal self mean never again rising up to express caring about an in the dream issue? If so, you better check your behavior there.

You keep putting forth these kinds of mistaken assumptions about what it's like to 'be awake.' There's still caring about the dream....you don't become robot-like or a doormat to all appearing arseholes who who try to wipe their feet on you just because you see it all to be 'appearance only.'

Yes, in my view he has not seen past the illusion and is stuck in some weird Law Of Attraction fantasy land. So how does he explain this happening on his forum? Was his vibe off?
By the way, I agree with moderating forums if done fairly, I don’t agree with side-stepping world issues in an attempt to pander to the ones that refuse to go there. This is about ‘triggers’ and awakening, point back to the Truth, if you really want to moderate.
I will never consent to unjust behaviours.

Yeah--you've nailed it! That's how he works; YOU are in misalignment because you are talking about stuff that HE deems to be indicative of misalignment...the entire exchange then becomes all about your vibe being off...about YOU creating a mis-aligned/negative manifestation, but he leaves his own experience,his own side of things, completely out of the equation. He fails to see that his own resistance to the conversation that has manifested, from his vantage point, IS HIS manifestation, obviously then, indicative of HIS vibration...kind of interesting as he is very fond of quoting AH when they say "You cannot create in the reality of another, only your own reality."

& yeah, agreed, while I like to keep a pretty loose hand here, there are some specific instances too where I'd likely to choose to moderate...but imo, a spirituality forum, specifically one that professes to deal in Truth, should always allow civil challenge of ideas and be given a wide berth in terms of content. I suppose if an entire thread got high-jacked for pages on end talking about car engines or something, lol, I might jump in to try to redirect, but otherwise, just as it is in life, it's more fun as i see it, to just let things take their natural course and see where it all goes...