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Post by muttley on Mar 14, 2021 10:49:49 GMT
What is the basis for your trust in the FBI as an institution? At the moment I don't have any reason to mistrust them. And I don't have a conspiracy theory to service.. one that has the fbi 'being dishonest' or it falls apart. So, it's a conspiracy theory to notice all the money and position that's being dished to Comey's crew these days or to simply note that the record now clearly reflects a hurricane of lies, abuse of power, and politically motivated prosecutions?
Sorry, you saying that you don't mistrust them is a deflection. I can state reasons to mistrust them that are factual. What is your basis for trusting them?
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Post by muttley on Mar 14, 2021 10:52:23 GMT
You can ignore their corruption if you want, but your smugness belies insecurity. I can't imagine that the pleasure of trolling is enough for your continued interest in all of this here. Perhaps there's something gnawing at your subconscious. A feeling that there's not something quite right.
I have no doubt there were maga on 1/6 and that most were maga. Never said otherwise. But it's clear confirmation bias to ignore the likes of John Sullivan, and see, you have to ignore your eyes and ears. Or do you claim that vid is a deep fake?  It's hardly the only one. One of the guys who broke the window Babbit jumped up into is on film changing his shirt in the stairwell after the shooting, which is just one more of dozens of examples. It's pure insanity for the FBI and corporatist media to claim that the urban riots are peaceful protests and inflate this phantom right-wing-racist boogeyman. It's 180 degree opposite day. It flies in the face of what I can see and hear with my own eyes and ears.
No smugness. Confidence though. If Mao were alive today he'd have a name for the kleptocratic revolving-door of the surveillance state technocracy: paper tigers. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 11:27:09 GMT
When and where was the last antifa riot? Two nights ago in Portland. I really don't know much about Portland.. because, for one, it's a local problem.. but it's not my local. Besides why is antifa the topic? It's an ultra small group that doesn't represent anybody. Can you name even one prominent politician that has voiced support for antifa? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 11:41:31 GMT
No smugness. Confidence though. If Mao were alive today he'd have a name for the kleptocratic revolving-door of the surveillance state technocracy: paper tigers. Communism doesn't scare me, neither does socialism, so I'm not afraid of Democrats Not scared of Republicans either, nor do I hate the things I disagree with And most governments and bureaucracies eventually become inefficient.. because people suck and their work reflects that Am I'm not a fucking troll dude, stop saying it or I'll stop talking |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 12:15:33 GMT
At the moment I don't have any reason to mistrust them. And I don't have a conspiracy theory to service.. one that has the fbi 'being dishonest' or it falls apart. So, it's a conspiracy theory to notice all the money and position that's being dished to Comey's crew these days or to simply note that the record now clearly reflects a hurricane of lies, abuse of power, and politically motivated prosecutions? Sorry, you saying that you don't mistrust them is a deflection. I can state reasons to mistrust them that are factual. What is your basis for trusting them?
What is my basis for trusting them? What the fuck? I didn't say I trusted them, I said I didn't mistrust them There is a difference |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 14, 2021 18:06:15 GMT
ALL rioting...ALL violence, regardless of who is behind it, is a threat to peace. The very idea that any rioting/violent group should be upheld as 'less of a threat to peace' than other, is part and parcel of the problem. What is needed right now, is an end to the Hypocrisy...lack of congruency....absence of consistency when it comes to the applications of judgment. History demonstrates that the endless struggle for power always results in profound hypocrisy, madness, oppression and atrocity. There have been archeological discoveries both at the start of the bronze age and at the end of the first settled culture in Europe that suggest massacres. It's been on an endless loop, probably since the existential delusion first took hold. People peeps are fuckin' nasty!  Yes! |
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Post by muttley on Mar 14, 2021 23:23:00 GMT
Two nights ago in Portland. I really don't know much about Portland.. because, for one, it's a local problem.. but it's not my local. Besides why is antifa the topic? It's an ultra small group that doesn't represent anybody. Can you name even one prominent politician that has voiced support for antifa? Antifa became the topic when figs expressed interest in the glaring hypocrisy of the corporatist media and the Democrat political figures that corporatist media promotes and neglects to challenge or investigate. I do see a distinction between 1/6 and the summer riots and I do understand why some people are more disturbed by the former than the latter, but I think those people haven't looked deeply enough past the false corporatist media narratives.
As to quoting a politician, no, I can't recall a national level politician who endorsed antifa, but I think Wray's denial of their existence is a lie. Did you lift that question from twitter? Can you see how it's a set-up?
I can turn that set-up around on you: can you name one Republican politician that hasn't denounced the Capitol incursion? I can give several examples of politician's applauding the summer's riots, which were, in many if not most cases, done by crazy white people led or at least influenced by somebody .. if they're not "Antifa", it's just a matter of name, nothing more or less.
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Post by muttley on Mar 14, 2021 23:37:04 GMT
If Mao were alive today he'd have a name for the kleptocratic revolving-door of the surveillance state technocracy: paper tigers. Communism doesn't scare me, neither does socialism, so I'm not afraid of Democrats Not scared of Republicans either, nor do I hate the things I disagree with And most governments and bureaucracies eventually become inefficient.. because people suck and their work reflects that Am I'm not a fucking troll dude, stop saying it or I'll stop talking aw c'mon man, we've all trolled each other many times over the years. heh heh me an figs had epic troll battles in the megathreads, 'member? 
Your implication of hate and fear are unfounded. WIBIGO is sometimes stark, and ugly, but any fear or hatred you're imputing onto what I'm writing is projection.
That said, Communists were responsible for genocides in the Soviet Union and China that dwarfed what Hitler did. The Communist governments in Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea preside over societies that can barely feed and cloth themselves, much less educate their population or progress the science and technology of their culture. Now, some of these issues get quite complex, but if these results don't give you pause, if they don't "scare" you to one degree or another, then I'd suggest it's because perhaps you've never considered the underlying details.
And I've stated multiple times that I think most of the right-wing gadfly's are stuck in the ideological battles of the past. The kleptocratic uniparty and their globalist master's aren't really "Communist", although it does seem to me that they're taking some of Lenin and Mao's playbooks and using global socialism as a band of useful idiots.
I'll grant you this: the alt media has done a trick of language by conflating socialism with communism. In my opinion, "you didn't build that" was going too far, but pointing out the shared responsibility for roads and schools was an excellent point, and I think many maga likely take for granted just how much socialism they have in their lives that is actually rather indispensable to them.
The real peril going on right now isn't "Communism", it's Authoritarianism, and the corporatist media played a grand game of projection by tyring to paint Trump as a fascist dictator, when the facts not only prove otherwise, but bear out the truth of that about those that Trump opposed.
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Post by muttley on Mar 14, 2021 23:51:58 GMT
So, it's a conspiracy theory to notice all the money and position that's being dished to Comey's crew these days or to simply note that the record now clearly reflects a hurricane of lies, abuse of power, and politically motivated prosecutions? Sorry, you saying that you don't mistrust them is a deflection. I can state reasons to mistrust them that are factual. What is your basis for trusting them?
What is my basis for trusting them? What the fuck? I didn't say I trusted them, I said I didn't mistrust them There is a difference It's ultimately a DWAD. Allow me to demonstrate. What would you do if an FBI agent - or any other law enforcement, for that matter - knocked on your door and asked you to come in for an interview, and why?
I'm suggesting that there are some unexamined assumptions here. I can understand why you think some of what I'm writing is "conspiracy theory", but I can name (and link to the facts for) several politically oriented prosecutions initiated by the FBI that are based on literal charges of "conspiracy" that either have been revealed as based on falsehood or that are currently falling apart. To you see the irony in that?
For either of us, it's all nth-hand information, and it comes down to why we believe who we believe. That's why I'm asking you, what is your basis for trusting the FBI as an institution? It's funny, but I've been conditioned to think that this sort of question is within my 1st amendment right to pose on a public forum, but at this point I really wouldn't be very surprised if I won't be able to board an airplane any time soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 0:04:02 GMT
What is my basis for trusting them? What the fuck? I didn't say I trusted them, I said I didn't mistrust them There is a difference It's ultimately a DWAD. Allow me to demonstrate. What would you do if an FBI agent - or any other law enforcement, for that matter - knocked on your door and asked you to come in for an interview, and why? I'm suggesting that there are some unexamined assumptions here. I can understand why you think some of what I'm writing is "conspiracy theory", but I can name (and link to the facts for) several politically oriented prosecutions initiated by the FBI that are based on literal charges of "conspiracy" that either have been revealed as based on falsehood or that are currently falling apart. To you see the irony in that? For either of us, it's all nth-hand information, and it comes down to why we believe who we believe. That's why I'm asking you, what is your basis for trusting the FBI as an institution? It's funny, but I've been conditioned to think that this sort of question is within my 1st amendment right to pose on a public forum, but at this point I really wouldn't be very surprised if I won't be able to board an airplane any time soon. One example that makes your point does not a case make. |
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It's hardly the only one. One of the guys who broke the window Babbit jumped up into is on film changing his shirt in the stairwell after the shooting, which is just one more of dozens of examples.
