Esponja
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Post by Esponja on Mar 11, 2021 23:22:08 GMT
Am in a conspiracy telegram group who are currently posting media links to do with the vaccine. I.e the downsides and side effects.
It just interests me that these same people say all msn is bull and yet don’t see it when there is bias..
Who knows which side is really honestly true at this stage? Are the collective causing it all anyway?
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Post by Figgles on Mar 12, 2021 18:06:55 GMT
Am in a conspiracy telegram group who are currently posting media links to do with the vaccine. I.e the downsides and side effects. It just interests me that these same people say all msn is bull and yet don’t see it when there is bias.. Who knows which side is really honestly true at this stage? Are the collective causing it all anyway? Yes, it's important to see that regardless of what side of this thing you lean towards most, inherent in any and all 'sides' is the potential for bias and the possibility that it is coloring the message to some degree...perhaps just a little....or perhaps a whole lot. I've found that when folks hear I am on the side of no lockdowns...that I feel this virus hoopla has all been blown out of proportion, that I agree there is something fishy about the US election, that I see a glaring double standard in how the Antifa/Black lives matter riots throughout 2020 were okay as the left saw it, but the Jan. 6th riots were something of an entirely different class, they take it for granted that I am completely on board with ALL rightist ideas, Whereas I am not. For ex: I am staunchly pro-choice...the idea that women could lose their right to control what happens to their own body is unthinkable to me...and I find it incredibly hypocritical that the right is all about bodily autonomy and personal freedoms when it comes to all things other than a women's pregnancy. There are other issues too....ideals/ideas where I diverge from being aligned with one side vs. the other....I think it's important to remain aware of alignment with group think as it's a powerful phenomenon. |
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muttley
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Post by muttley on Mar 13, 2021 0:29:06 GMT
Am in a conspiracy telegram group who are currently posting media links to do with the vaccine. I.e the downsides and side effects. It just interests me that these same people say all msn is bull and yet don’t see it when there is bias.. Who knows which side is really honestly true at this stage? Are the collective causing it all anyway? Yes, it's important to see that regardless of what side of this thing you lean towards most, inherent in any and all 'sides' is the potential for bias and the possibility that it is coloring the message to some degree...perhaps just a little....or perhaps a whole lot. I've found that when folks hear I am on the side of no lockdowns...that I feel this virus hoopla has all been blown out of proportion, that I agree there is something fishy about the US election, that I see a glaring double standard in how the Antifa/Black lives matter riots throughout 2020 were okay as the left saw it, but the Jan. 6th riots were something of an entirely different class, they take it for granted that I am completely on board with ALL rightist ideas, Whereas I am not. For ex: I am staunchly pro-choice...the idea that women could lose their right to control what happens to their own body is unthinkable to me...and I find it incredibly hypocritical that the right is all about bodily autonomy and personal freedoms when it comes to all things other than a women's pregnancy. There are other issues too....ideals/ideas where I diverge from being aligned with one side vs. the other....I think it's important to remain aware of alignment with group think as it's a powerful phenomenon. Given the benefit of the doubt some people sincerely see a difference betwee the two riots because 1/6 disrupted the U.S. Congress and (arguably) involved a "breach" of the U.S. Capitol, which has both symbolic and practical consequences. But to them I'd say it's emblematic of the divide: the 1/6 rioters punched up, and were the result (or, I'd say, rather, rode the coattails of) a genuine, organic grass-roots movement. BLM and Antifa, in contrast, are for the most part globalist atroturf, and are punching down by funding and organizing the burning of small businesses and American inner cities. The 2016 election reflected a cumulative dissatisfaction that's taken generations to build up to and has led to a potential broadening of the Republican base of historic proportions. While, in contrast, the globalists have exploited some of the darkest chapters and deepest divisions of our history and culture, and despite uniting the corporatist media in lockstep for four years still had to resort to fraud and more to steal 2020. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 10:22:36 GMT
Yes, it's important to see that regardless of what side of this thing you lean towards most, inherent in any and all 'sides' is the potential for bias and the possibility that it is coloring the message to some degree...perhaps just a little....or perhaps a whole lot. I've found that when folks hear I am on the side of no lockdowns...that I feel this virus hoopla has all been blown out of proportion, that I agree there is something fishy about the US election, that I see a glaring double standard in how the Antifa/Black lives matter riots throughout 2020 were okay as the left saw it, but the Jan. 6th riots were something of an entirely different class, they take it for granted that I am completely on board with ALL rightist ideas, Whereas I am not. For ex: I am staunchly pro-choice...the idea that women could lose their right to control what happens to their own body is unthinkable to me...and I find it incredibly hypocritical that the right is all about bodily autonomy and personal freedoms when it comes to all things other than a women's pregnancy. There are other issues too....ideals/ideas where I diverge from being aligned with one side vs. the other....I think it's important to remain aware of alignment with group think as it's a powerful phenomenon. Given the benefit of the doubt some people sincerely see a difference betwee the two riots because 1/6 disrupted the U.S. Congress and (arguably) involved a "breach" of the U.S. Capitol, which has both symbolic and practical consequences. But to them I'd say it's emblematic of the divide: the 1/6 rioters punched up, and were the result (or, I'd say, rather, rode the coattails of) a genuine, organic grass-roots movement. BLM and Antifa, in contrast, are for the most part globalist atroturf, and are punching down by funding and organizing the burning of small businesses and American inner cities. The 2016 election reflected a cumulative dissatisfaction that's taken generations to build up to and has led to a potential broadening of the Republican base of historic proportions. While, in contrast, the globalists have exploited some of the darkest chapters and deepest divisions of our history and culture, and despite uniting the corporatist media in lockstep for four years still had to resort to fraud and more to steal 2020. Re: "antifa". Who are they? What are their names and addresses? Who is their leader? When and where was their last meeting? How do they raise funds? Director Wray has said this about antifa: Wray did not dispute in his testimony Thursday that antifa activists were a serious concern, saying that antifa was a “real thing” and that the FBI had undertaken “any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists,” including into individuals who identify with antifa.
But, he said, “It’s not a group or an organization. It’s a movement or an ideology.”and this about the white nationalists, which *are* groups and organizations: " I would certainly say, as I think I've said consistently in the past, that racially motivated violent extremism specifically of the sort that advocates for the superiority of the white race is a persistent evolving threat," Wray said. "It's the biggest chunk of our racially motivated violent extremism cases for sure and racially motivated violent extremism is the biggest chunk of our domestic terrorism portfolio." Seems obvious which side is the greater threat to peace And also obvious why some people need a boogieman like "antifa" to try and change the subject to.. since that 'greater threat' is on their team |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 10:58:30 GMT
But confirmation bias is a great topic!
Especially when you notice one of your own you hadn't been aware of before
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Post by Figgles on Mar 13, 2021 19:55:26 GMT
Given the benefit of the doubt some people sincerely see a difference betwee the two riots because 1/6 disrupted the U.S. Congress and (arguably) involved a "breach" of the U.S. Capitol, which has both symbolic and practical consequences. But to them I'd say it's emblematic of the divide: the 1/6 rioters punched up, and were the result (or, I'd say, rather, rode the coattails of) a genuine, organic grass-roots movement. BLM and Antifa, in contrast, are for the most part globalist atroturf, and are punching down by funding and organizing the burning of small businesses and American inner cities. The 2016 election reflected a cumulative dissatisfaction that's taken generations to build up to and has led to a potential broadening of the Republican base of historic proportions. While, in contrast, the globalists have exploited some of the darkest chapters and deepest divisions of our history and culture, and despite uniting the corporatist media in lockstep for four years still had to resort to fraud and more to steal 2020. Re: "antifa". Who are they? What are their names and addresses? Who is their leader? When and where was their last meeting? How do they raise funds? Director Wray has said this about antifa: Wray did not dispute in his testimony Thursday that antifa activists were a serious concern, saying that antifa was a “real thing” and that the FBI had undertaken “any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists,” including into individuals who identify with antifa.
But, he said, “It’s not a group or an organization. It’s a movement or an ideology.”and this about the white nationalists, which *are* groups and organizations: " I would certainly say, as I think I've said consistently in the past, that racially motivated violent extremism specifically of the sort that advocates for the superiority of the white race is a persistent evolving threat," Wray said. "It's the biggest chunk of our racially motivated violent extremism cases for sure and racially motivated violent extremism is the biggest chunk of our domestic terrorism portfolio." Seems obvious which side is the greater threat to peace And also obvious why some people need a boogieman like "antifa" to try and change the subject to.. since that 'greater threat' is on their team rioting...ALL violence, regardless of who is behind it, is a threat to peace. The very idea that any rioting/violent group should be upheld as 'less of a threat to peace' than other, is part and parcel of the problem. What is needed right now, is an end to the Hypocrisy...lack of congruency....absence of consistency when it comes to the applications of judgment. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 20:20:26 GMT
Re: "antifa". Who are they? What are their names and addresses? Who is their leader? When and where was their last meeting? How do they raise funds? Director Wray has said this about antifa: Wray did not dispute in his testimony Thursday that antifa activists were a serious concern, saying that antifa was a “real thing” and that the FBI had undertaken “any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists,” including into individuals who identify with antifa.
But, he said, “It’s not a group or an organization. It’s a movement or an ideology.”and this about the white nationalists, which *are* groups and organizations: " I would certainly say, as I think I've said consistently in the past, that racially motivated violent extremism specifically of the sort that advocates for the superiority of the white race is a persistent evolving threat," Wray said. "It's the biggest chunk of our racially motivated violent extremism cases for sure and racially motivated violent extremism is the biggest chunk of our domestic terrorism portfolio." Seems obvious which side is the greater threat to peace And also obvious why some people need a boogieman like "antifa" to try and change the subject to.. since that 'greater threat' is on their team rioting...ALL violence, regardless of who is behind it, is a threat to peace. The very idea that any rioting/violent group should be upheld as 'less of a threat to peace' than other, is part and parcel of the problem. What is needed right now, is an end to the Hypocrisy...lack of congruency....absence of consistency when it comes to the applications of judgment. When and where was the last antifa riot? |
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Post by muttley on Mar 13, 2021 20:41:11 GMT
ALL rioting...ALL violence, regardless of who is behind it, is a threat to peace. The very idea that any rioting/violent group should be upheld as 'less of a threat to peace' than other, is part and parcel of the problem. What is needed right now, is an end to the Hypocrisy...lack of congruency....absence of consistency when it comes to the applications of judgment. When and where was the last antifa riot? Two nights ago in Portland. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 13, 2021 20:42:21 GMT
ALL rioting...ALL violence, regardless of who is behind it, is a threat to peace. The very idea that any rioting/violent group should be upheld as 'less of a threat to peace' than other, is part and parcel of the problem. What is needed right now, is an end to the Hypocrisy...lack of congruency....absence of consistency when it comes to the applications of judgment. When and where was the last antifa riot? My point was, doesn't matter what the specific label of the rioting/violent group is. It's all a 'threat to peace.' Whatever they might call themselves, (many are calling them Antifa...others link them to BLM) The group of folks rioting in Portland aren't being condemned by the left of by mainstream news outlets like CNN. Why? National Review Rioters Set Fire to Federal Courthouse in Portland One Day after Fencing Removed
Zachary EvansFri, March 12, 2021, 9:23 AM·2 min read news.yahoo.com/rioters-set-fire-federal-courthouse-162333860.html "Rioters targeted the federal courthouse in Portland, Ore., on Thursday evening in renewed clashes between demonstrators and federal police. The attack on the courthouse came one day after authorities removed fencing initially erected over the summer, in response to continued riots following the death of George Floyd, an African American man killed during his arrest by Minneapolis police officers." |
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Post by muttley on Mar 13, 2021 20:49:15 GMT
Given the benefit of the doubt some people sincerely see a difference betwee the two riots because 1/6 disrupted the U.S. Congress and (arguably) involved a "breach" of the U.S. Capitol, which has both symbolic and practical consequences. But to them I'd say it's emblematic of the divide: the 1/6 rioters punched up, and were the result (or, I'd say, rather, rode the coattails of) a genuine, organic grass-roots movement. BLM and Antifa, in contrast, are for the most part globalist atroturf, and are punching down by funding and organizing the burning of small businesses and American inner cities. The 2016 election reflected a cumulative dissatisfaction that's taken generations to build up to and has led to a potential broadening of the Republican base of historic proportions. While, in contrast, the globalists have exploited some of the darkest chapters and deepest divisions of our history and culture, and despite uniting the corporatist media in lockstep for four years still had to resort to fraud and more to steal 2020. Re: "antifa". Who are they? What are their names and addresses? Who is their leader? When and where was their last meeting? How do they raise funds? Director Wray has said this about antifa: Wray did not dispute in his testimony Thursday that antifa activists were a serious concern, saying that antifa was a “real thing” and that the FBI had undertaken “any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists,” including into individuals who identify with antifa.
But, he said, “It’s not a group or an organization. It’s a movement or an ideology.”and this about the white nationalists, which *are* groups and organizations: " I would certainly say, as I think I've said consistently in the past, that racially motivated violent extremism specifically of the sort that advocates for the superiority of the white race is a persistent evolving threat," Wray said. "It's the biggest chunk of our racially motivated violent extremism cases for sure and racially motivated violent extremism is the biggest chunk of our domestic terrorism portfolio." Seems obvious which side is the greater threat to peace And also obvious why some people need a boogieman like "antifa" to try and change the subject to.. since that 'greater threat' is on their team Antifa are a loosely knit network of communists and anarchists known to be funded by various deep pockets that have been continuously rioting in Portland for over three years now. Would you like links to the streams? They have their roots in pre-WWII Europe, but, of course, you know all this already and are just trolling.
The FBI has become a tool of one political party - the Democrats - that has aligned itself with the interests that feed off of Federal spending, empowered by the surveillance state established by Bush and continued by Obama. It's been used and is being used to selectively prosecute political speech, all the while actual political violence goes unpoliced, and completely ignored by the coporatist media. Wray is a fragment of a fictitious narrative.
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