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Post by someNothing on Nov 11, 2020 19:06:38 GMT
I getcha.
But, again, not adapting to, learning about, and understanding the demographics and remaining fossilized and entranced by ideology leads to such extreme necessities.
"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”—David Frum
Well, this brings us to the current events playing out in the moment, and we likely disagree about who is ultimately lying about certain specific issues. 
There are only degrees of relative truth in politics, noone who isn't a hypocrite and it's always about influencing opinion. But, the fault for deception ultimately lies with the deceived, especially in times as extreme as this.
I don't waste too much time getting into specifics, and mostly look to find who is lying to themselves the most, and their willingness to be open to a number of advisers (who I might also look at to gain some perspective). The more dangerous kind of deception involves the lies we tell to ourselves and hold so dear, if you know what I mean. They often begin at a very early age.
Sure, politics can be and often is a cesspool due to its proximity along the path to worldly power, but governance in some form or fashion is here to stay. I'll stick with choosing whom I perceive to be the least delusional, self-deceptive, and all-knowing.... that is, the one least likely to miss the mark the most.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 19:15:19 GMT
Then what seems to you is not based on reality Well, perhaps not you personally, but how about Madow, Lemon, Whoopi + thousands of tweeters? All fearless, righteous and justified in their vitriol? what vitriol? be specific for god's sake. and not just another hazy ill defined generalization. something with a true or false answer perhaps. and those media commentators you listed are hired performers, what of it? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 19:16:54 GMT
Well, this brings us to the current events playing out in the moment, and we likely disagree about who is ultimately lying about certain specific issues. There are only degrees of relative truth in politics, noone who isn't a hypocrite and it's always about influencing opinion. But, the fault for deception ultimately lies with the deceived, especially in times as extreme as this.
I don't waste too much time getting into specifics, and mostly look to find who is lying to themselves the most, and their willingness to be open to a number of advisers (who I might also look at to gain some perspective). The more dangerous kind of deception involves the lies we tell to ourselves and hold so dear, if you know what I mean. They often begin at a very early age. Sure, politics can be and often is a cesspool due to its proximity along the path to worldly power, but governance in some form or fashion is here to stay. I'll stick with choosing whom I perceive to be the least delusional, self-deceptive, and all-knowing.... that is, the one least likely to miss the mark the most.
given my recent comment, I found yours kinda funny  |
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Post by someNothing on Nov 11, 2020 19:43:21 GMT
I don't waste too much time getting into specifics, and mostly look to find who is lying to themselves the most, and their willingness to be open to a number of advisers (who I might also look at to gain some perspective). The more dangerous kind of deception involves the lies we tell to ourselves and hold so dear, if you know what I mean. They often begin at a very early age. Sure, politics can be and often is a cesspool due to its proximity along the path to worldly power, but governance in some form or fashion is here to stay. I'll stick with choosing whom I perceive to be the least delusional, self-deceptive, and all-knowing.... that is, the one least likely to miss the mark the most.
given my recent comment, I found yours kinda funny I can get into certain specifics, but when it comes to unraveling all the who said what, when, why, about whom, etc when it comes to the life, times, and true motives of politicians, the media, and all the rest.... for formulating who I might vote for, I find it more sane to stick with something closer to home and not get too involved with the layers of shadow play.
And again, when it comes to DT, I'm just a voter who has been up close and interactive with a very unconscious narcissist who tore people apart for nothing other than to satisfy their fears for over two decades. The castles of delusion, the truckloads of lies, the endless projections, the merciless blaming....I have zero taste for it. Poor little Trump; he just so happens to embody every single toxic quality. The distaste for such phenomena is a conditioned factor. If Biden is actually worse for this country than an incredibly delusional person like Trump and his empowerment of the lower/lowest base qualities of our society, then so be it; I'm the idiot for having the wool pulled over my eyes. I'll take my chances. Simples.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 19:51:24 GMT
given my recent comment, I found yours kinda funny I can get into certain specifics, but when it comes to unraveling all the who said what, when, why, about whom, etc when it comes to the life, times, and true motives of politicians, the media, and all the rest.... for formulating who I might vote for, I find it more sane to stick with something closer to home and not get too involved with the layers of shadow play. And again, when it comes to DT, I'm just a voter who has been up close and interactive with a very unconscious narcissist who tore people apart for nothing other than to satisfy their fears for over two decades. The castles of delusion, the truckloads of lies, the endless projections, the merciless blaming....I have zero taste for it. Poor little Trump; he just so happens to embody every single toxic quality. The distaste for such phenomena is a conditioned factor. If Biden is actually worse for this country than an incredibly delusional person like Trump and his empowerment of the lower/lowest base qualities of our society, then so be it; I'm the idiot for having the wool pulled over my eyes. I'll take my chances. Simples.
most political debates are just recycled talking points - and a waste of time but perhaps you could make inroads if you could prove that one specific keystone of their argument is false |
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Post by someNothing on Nov 11, 2020 20:27:02 GMT
I can get into certain specifics, but when it comes to unraveling all the who said what, when, why, about whom, etc when it comes to the life, times, and true motives of politicians, the media, and all the rest.... for formulating who I might vote for, I find it more sane to stick with something closer to home and not get too involved with the layers of shadow play. And again, when it comes to DT, I'm just a voter who has been up close and interactive with a very unconscious narcissist who tore people apart for nothing other than to satisfy their fears for over two decades. The castles of delusion, the truckloads of lies, the endless projections, the merciless blaming....I have zero taste for it. Poor little Trump; he just so happens to embody every single toxic quality. The distaste for such phenomena is a conditioned factor. If Biden is actually worse for this country than an incredibly delusional person like Trump and his empowerment of the lower/lowest base qualities of our society, then so be it; I'm the idiot for having the wool pulled over my eyes. I'll take my chances. Simples.
most political debates are just recycled talking points - and a waste of time but perhaps you could make inroads if you could prove that one specific keystone of their argument is false True, but these seem to be weird times, and this is the nicest discussion on the topic I can imagine most this country having. I've always respected Laffy in the what he brings to the boards. He burrows down into detail, so in this context, I am not about to get involved in a back and forth that requires hashing out the volumes of input he has sought out on the interwebs, much of which I could likely find my own support for and faults in. I am always open to hear him out though, regardless of how much I may disagree.
As I've said, I keep it simple. Basically, for me, if you give the wrong peep the right means to do even the most basic, necessary things, they'll typically do the wrong things. As for Trump, when the dream character can't listen to others, take criticism, or learn democratically, and is likely to be dedicated to his VERY narrow and acute delusion, it is important that his influence on most peep's lives be severed immediately. Making mistakes and owning them to some extent is one thing, making continuous errors and constantly denying responsibility and blaming is quite another.
I am an Independent voter, and I have no allegiance. In this election, that didn't work out for Trump and his ilk. From this perspective, it is beyond obvious why.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 21:50:52 GMT
well Mutley's entire worldview is premised on the lie that Peter Strok and Lisa Page plotted against poor Donnie and that the media has mean to him ever since irrational.. I know. but now you see what I've been up against  |
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Post by someNothing on Nov 12, 2020 9:54:41 GMT
well Mutley's entire worldview is premised on the lie that Peter Strok and Lisa Page plotted against poor Donnie and that the media has mean to him ever since irrational.. I know. but now you see what I've been up against I dunno about all of that.
All I can see is that DT is a very mentally ill peep. With the power of the office in his hands and with other peeps in power (i.e., the GOP who want to keep their positions in power) living in fear of the wrath of that sickness, there certainly seems to be a recipe for disaster being used to cook up some serious externalized pain and suffering.
I've used the power of a vote in the drama of life. If the power of the peeps wants someone like this in office and/or they want to see it all burned down for the sake of mental illness (I mean, after all, isn't that often part of what fuels the search?), then I guess we'll see some uberly difficult times ahead. But the facts would probably bear out that once that kind of insanity and fear starts to take hold of the world at large, and in such a short period of time, any romance would wear off purddy quickly. Many will feel intensely alive, but will feel trapped in the relative states of mind they are conscious enough to maintain and unable to hold back the imploding boundaries of fear they've ignored for so long. Talk about playing with matches and gasoline.... be careful what you wish for. Personally, I'd prefer it unfold in a little less dramatic way.
All in all, sure, it will probably get worse before it gets better... perfectly so.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 10:53:18 GMT
A deep and thorough investigation is a must. Then the appropriate reckoning. comrade Stalin! Project much? Stalin invokes the psychopath-authoritarian model, which is what Trump is doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 10:56:52 GMT
well Mutley's entire worldview is premised on the lie that Peter Strok and Lisa Page plotted against poor Donnie and that the media has mean to him ever since irrational.. I know. but now you see what I've been up against I dunno about all of that. Good for you. In this case not knowing beats the shit out of knowing, hands down. |
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