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Post by Andrew on Aug 9, 2020 23:13:15 GMT
I know how to let go of 'clinging' to the desire/interest....and if there are two conflicting desires, that's something I might do to assist the process, but I don't know how to let go of the desire itself. I know what it's like to 'ignore' a desire, or distract from it by 'committing', but as my spiritual path unfolded, my capacity to do either got less and less. As it got less, I would often spin between desires....like a cat that goes in, out, in, out. This spinning could be frustrating, and that's when i learned how to release clinging, so the desires can play out peacefully. These days I can still experience conflicting desires, but it's not much of a problem....less clinging, less beliefs about myself in relation to it. More cat like, but also more observational and understanding. I think this reply covers both of your messages about it. If you were able to let go of clinging to a desire, the desire would no longer be desired. There is not both a desire and a clinging to the desire. The presence of a desire implies a clinging that brings about desire and holds it in place.
This isn't particularly subtle. It isn't some advanced spiritual process. It's mostly common sense. However, it might require that you not lie to yourself, and that might be the rub. That could be true in your experience but definitely isn't in mine. I experience most desires without clinging.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 9, 2020 23:21:55 GMT
well that's not my intention. At core this is a subject that relates to what we are. As 'unlimited being', you could create anything now. As a 'limited being', there are boundaries to what you can create. You are both unlimited and limited, so there's no easy way to talk about this. Every being throughout creation is a 'master of limitation', though I take Bashar's point that this human dimension is a thin end of the wedge. We are the elite when it comes to creating limitation!! So I DO appreciate your 'anything is possible' point. I'm just trying to talk about why it's not quite that simple. All things are possible. It IS that simple, but actualizing that potential is not. Not because you can't fly with wings, without wings, but because you are not a personal creator with the volition required to even make that choice. However, clarity about what we are discussing is very much available to you right now, and that clarity has the potential to end much of your struggle instantly. to be clear, I'm not struggling, the reason i find it a challenge to talk to you about this, is because of your expressed aversion to paradox...I have to talk to you without using that word and it's not easy. To speak of us as ''masters of limitation''...as you did....is to speak in the personal context. So, even with insight, realization and expansion, we don't cease to be/create limitation, and we don't become unlimited omnipotent creators. We might open up to creating worlds of peace and harmony though (are you sick of the drama of the third dimension yet? )
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Post by Enigma on Aug 10, 2020 2:11:02 GMT
All things are possible. It IS that simple, but actualizing that potential is not. Not because you can't fly with wings, without wings, but because you are not a personal creator with the volition required to even make that choice. However, clarity about what we are discussing is very much available to you right now, and that clarity has the potential to end much of your struggle instantly. to be clear, I'm not struggling, the reason i find it a challenge to talk to you about this, is because of your expressed aversion to paradox...I have to talk to you without using that word and it's not easy. To speak of us as ''masters of limitation''...as you did....is to speak in the personal context. So, even with insight, realization and expansion, we don't cease to be/create limitation, and we don't become unlimited omnipotent creators. We might open up to creating worlds of peace and harmony though (are you sick of the drama of the third dimension yet? ) I never suggested that we do. What I said is that all things are possible. They remain possible regardless of what we think or do. It's that simple.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 10, 2020 8:21:49 GMT
to be clear, I'm not struggling, the reason i find it a challenge to talk to you about this, is because of your expressed aversion to paradox...I have to talk to you without using that word and it's not easy. To speak of us as ''masters of limitation''...as you did....is to speak in the personal context. So, even with insight, realization and expansion, we don't cease to be/create limitation, and we don't become unlimited omnipotent creators. We might open up to creating worlds of peace and harmony though (are you sick of the drama of the third dimension yet? ) I never suggested that we do. What I said is that all things are possible. They remain possible regardless of what we think or do. It's that simple. okay, so if we remove you and I and every other individual creator.... from the picture, then you are pointing to the 'spaceless space' of Infinite Potential. That's not quite the same as looking around and saying 'anything is possible'. At the level of the look around, it's not that simple, because we have to consider 'conditions'. '
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 18:17:52 GMT
Nobody can do that, that's what split mind is all about. If One can choose to not to smoke, then smoker can easily quit their smoking. but they can't because desire rises against their will. I don't really understand what he is talking about. I quit smoking without conflict once I decided I wanted to quit. I lost 50lb in less than 3 months without conflict, and all I was really doing was crave control research for a website I was working on. That was several years ago and I still haven't gained the weight back. So don't tell me it's impossible and nobody can do that. I'm beginning to think the difference is about living consciously. When you live consciously, you take personal responsibility for the way you live. Nothing is "hidden' in the unconscious that enables you to avoid responsibility. (To say something is beyond your power to do) I don't know whether to believe you or not. If it is that easy then everybody must have chosen to not to smoke very easily. I find it is pretty hard to choose against my desire(smoking is not the case for me because I have never smoked).
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Post by Enigma on Aug 11, 2020 1:33:21 GMT
I quit smoking without conflict once I decided I wanted to quit. I lost 50lb in less than 3 months without conflict, and all I was really doing was crave control research for a website I was working on. That was several years ago and I still haven't gained the weight back. So don't tell me it's impossible and nobody can do that. I'm beginning to think the difference is about living consciously. When you live consciously, you take personal responsibility for the way you live. Nothing is "hidden' in the unconscious that enables you to avoid responsibility. (To say something is beyond your power to do) I don't know whether to believe you or not. If it is that easy then everybody must have chosen to not to smoke very easily. I find it is pretty hard to choose against my desire(smoking is not the case for me because I have never smoked). If I'm right about the unconsciousness connection, it's not easy to get into the place of no split mind. I'm seeing now that the split mind requires an unconscious process. The internal conflict of self against self must take place unconsciously as the conscious cannot deceive themselves so as to set up that false conflict/division.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 16:27:53 GMT
Awareness is the watcher of the movie but when the movie is going on, he is not looking at the movie, he is actually KNOWING or REALIZING the movie within himself.So he is creating the movie while he is watching the movie. Does Mr Awareness like his popcorn buttered or unbuttered? Please don't say something which I haven't written. Perhaps you may replace the word 'he' with 'it', it might make sense for you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 16:29:02 GMT
Does Mr Awareness like his popcorn buttered or unbuttered? filled halfway...slathered in butter, then topped up with more popcorn, then slathered again...oh, & don't forget the salt! Tenka's spirit might have entered inside you and Enigma, Just check it, he is dangerous.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 16:30:36 GMT
So If I know anything is possible, then I will start to believe differently thereby I could create my world differently?
Sometime what I observe here is, If I strongly desire for something, then If I leave it or take out of my focus from that thing or not putting any effort to attain my desire, it automatically comes on way without my effort. So It look like not only my belief but my desire also seems to be creative.
Absolutely. Yes. Feeling is the language of God.So If I desire something so strongly, that's God's(Not external God) way of telling me that I will get it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 16:31:42 GMT
Consciousness = Universe. But universe does not equal Consciousness. The universe is an expression of Consciousness, not other than Consciousness but not the essence of Consciousness. The person is also Consciousness, but the person does not create. I place Consciousness as the ultimate witness so it's not a person for me. I usually use this word universe as a replacement of Consciousness.
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