Post by Figgles on Mar 14, 2024 20:05:32 GMT
Tenka:
I don't know why peeps only relate the personal level to a SVP. It makes no sense to me.
I don't know why peeps only relate the personal level to a SVP. It makes no sense to me.
Reefs is confused about this...those who try to use her words to understand, are bound to themselves get confused.
Post SR, a personal perspective remains. What goes is erroneous identification with person-hood....what goes is the mistake of taking the me character/body/mind as fundamental to Awareness vs. the other way around.
The relative experience/beleif that seeing/being aware is actually, fundamentally, the domain of physically appearing eyes....brain...etc, in SR, gets re-framed in the higher/Primary seeing that is happening from 'beyond/prior to' that apparent experience of being a human who operates through a brain and sees through a limited viewpoint of personhood. There is still the relative experience of body/mind...seeing through physical eyes, etc. but it's all now "couched within" the higher seeing of beyond/prior to....Awareness.
I believe I am an individual that isn't separate from anything.
And that is the unrealized viewpoint aka "I am an extension of Source." It preserves an existent entity/person while it also conceptually acknowledges a something greater that I am "connected to." That is not Nonduality, it's New Age spirituality....purely a conceptual understanding....not a realized seeing/knowing.
That's part of my understanding had from my transcendence.
Alignment, merging or whatever word suits only reflects something that can merge, or align, so all of the above can only relate to the person. If the person only refers to a SVP and the SVP is illusory then as said before to a few members here, what is left?
Alignment, merging or whatever word suits only reflects something that can merge, or align, so all of the above can only relate to the person. If the person only refers to a SVP and the SVP is illusory then as said before to a few members here, what is left?
You are actually spot on in your questioning here Tenka. You've ascertained the flaw in Reefs ontology. For there to exist, actual alignment/mis-alignment....merging, connecting/unifying, or not, there has to be an 'existent' someone/something that can actually stand fundamentally "apart from" Source. There is no such thing and seeing that is precisely what SR/waking up IS!!
So kinda cool, auspicious perhaps...that you're able to see that flaw and asking that very question of Reefs.
LOA, Karma, and processes that reflect one state over another have to have at the centre point someone that can entertain them.
Kan't an individual that isn't separate from everything else hold a belief that doesn't reflect a SVP?
The answer is obviously yes, but it seems that some Non Dualists can only see the person one way.
Kan't an individual that isn't separate from everything else hold a belief that doesn't reflect a SVP?
The answer is obviously yes, but it seems that some Non Dualists can only see the person one way.
The delusion lies in mistaking the "experience" of personhood/me character with the "existence" of an actual, fundamentally substantive "entity/person."
Relatively speaking, yes, you may at times find me referencing this "me character" as a person who does stuff.....takes actions that cause/create other stuff to appear, but all of that is part and parcel of the play...there is a higher seeing within which all that 'play' is couched....all of it is absent the assignation of inherent existence...it's clear all of it is arising within to/not separate from abiding Awareness.