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Post by Enigma on Sept 22, 2017 20:45:27 GMT
It was Gopal's idea of a joke.  Yes, but there is an interesting component to the joke, in that it is based on the idea that one could know for sure, something about another. We can only know stuff about the dream in the context of the dream. |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 22, 2017 20:58:14 GMT
Yes, but there is an interesting component to the joke, in that it is based on the idea that one could know for sure, something about another. We can only know stuff about the dream in the context of the dream. Yes.......... |
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Post by Enigma on Sept 22, 2017 23:03:59 GMT
I said the idea of spirit bodies comes from your delusion that a body of some kind is required. I don't know if there are spirit bodies or not. Okay. Now in my model, a perception point is associated with a vehicle, so the field and range of perception is also associated with the vehicle. It is finite. In a vehicle less point of perception, where does the field and range begin and end? What determines where it begins and ends? What makes it finite? How should I know? Ask one of your spirit body buddies. I'm just saying the appearance is not the cause of other appearances. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 23:34:19 GMT
Who or what is aware of your non-experiencing of appearances?  What is a non experience? Are you asking me who/what is aware of my experience of all that I experience? A non experience of an appearance is not experiencing an appearance. How are you aware of That?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 23:43:26 GMT
We can only know stuff about the dream in the context of the dream. Yes.......... That's nonsense, you can be aware of much more. |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 23, 2017 0:36:03 GMT
Okay. Now in my model, a perception point is associated with a vehicle, so the field and range of perception is also associated with the vehicle. It is finite. In a vehicle less point of perception, where does the field and range begin and end? What determines where it begins and ends? What makes it finite? How should I know? Ask one of your spirit body buddies. I'm just saying the appearance is not the cause of other appearances. The spirit body gang will agree that points of perception require some kind of vehicle, even if this vehicle isn't flesh and bone. I'm not saying an appearance causes an appearance, I'm saying perspective coincides with bodies. |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 23, 2017 0:37:17 GMT
What is a non experience? Are you asking me who/what is aware of my experience of all that I experience? A non experience of an appearance is not experiencing an appearance. How are you aware of That? I'm still not getting the non experience bit, but isnt the question of who/what is aware, a misconceived one? |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 23, 2017 0:39:39 GMT
That's nonsense, you can be aware of much more. Much more than what..? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 0:50:10 GMT
A non experience of an appearance is not experiencing an appearance. How are you aware of That? but isnt the question of who/what is aware, a misconceived one? Andrew: I don't experience 'appearances", so I don't have a reference for what you mean by 'experiencing full or empty appearances'. I don't experience 'appearances", is the non-experience of appearances, isn't it? So how are you aware that it is a misconceived question? |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 23, 2017 0:55:42 GMT
Okay, so what I mean is that I experience trees, and people, and sunshine etc.....normal stuff....none of which are either full or empty in the experience of them. So when those guys experience a 'full appearance' or an 'empty appearance', I'm wondering what the characteristics of that experience are. |
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