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Jan 16, 2022 11:24:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 11:24:21 GMT
Muttley's claim was "yer more likely to get Omnichron if yer jabbed", and I don't think the twitter thread answers that. But with 63% of the US fully vaxed it might make sense that the vaxed are spreading it more (only because of them being in greater number). In a perfect pandemic there would be the resolve to quarantine the infected and use contact tracing to re-trace their steps (which also would provide the researchers with more information to evaluate) But we didn't get that... we got a politicized event instead. Quarantine and contact tracing are a high cost. Do you really think that the death rate for healthy people under 65 justifies the benefit? I don't. Might have made sense with some of the faked early estimates of death rates, but not sub .5%. Quarantine is essentially an arrest, and if you want to deprive people of their liberty then you have no choice but to politicize the event. Well I wasn't referring to covid specifically, but to worse viruses like smallpox or bubonic plague. So it would be prudent to 'nip it in the bud' with quarantine and contact tracing if you can. (They have playbooks for this) And in Jacobson v Massachusetts the court ruled “But the liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint. There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good.”
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Jan 16, 2022 11:30:32 GMT
Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 16, 2022 11:30:32 GMT
Quarantine and contact tracing are a high cost. Do you really think that the death rate for healthy people under 65 justifies the benefit? I don't. Might have made sense with some of the faked early estimates of death rates, but not sub .5%. Quarantine is essentially an arrest, and if you want to deprive people of their liberty then you have no choice but to politicize the event. Well I wasn't referring to covid specifically, but to worse viruses like smallpox or bubonic plague. So it would be prudent to 'nip it in the bud' with quarantine and contact tracing if you can. (They have playbooks for this) And in Jacobson v Massachusetts the court ruled “But the liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint. There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good.” Look at you. I'm gonna' have to teach you how to do blue book citations.
But you referred to a "politicized event". What politicized event were you referring to if not the current "pandemic"? I can agree that in some instances quarantine and contact tracing would result in an excellent cost/benefit. Jacobson apparently establishes the Constitutional precedent for those policies, but it would likely inevitably take a politicized process including litigation to put it into place, regardless of the details of the contagion.
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Jan 16, 2022 11:33:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 11:33:16 GMT
ok. do-over. It would appear from your link that I was wrong about this, thanks for making the effort. My mind remains open on the topic. I should just drop one of these ( ) and move on, but such a move goes against the very fiber of my being But fuck it
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Jan 16, 2022 11:41:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 11:41:07 GMT
Well I wasn't referring to covid specifically, but to worse viruses like smallpox or bubonic plague. So it would be prudent to 'nip it in the bud' with quarantine and contact tracing if you can. (They have playbooks for this) And in Jacobson v Massachusetts the court ruled “But the liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint. There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good.” Look at you. I'm gonna' have to teach you how to do blue book citations. But you referred to a "politicized event". What politicized event were you referring to if not the current "pandemic"? I can agree that in some instances quarantine and contact tracing would result in an excellent cost/benefit. Jacobson apparently establishes the Constitutional precedent for those policies, but it would likely inevitably take a politicized process including litigation to put it into place, regardless of the details of the contagion. Covid has been politicized from the beginning, so they didn't have an opportunity to utilize the playbook And now with this new precedent being set by the public we'll probably be good and truly fucked when something worse comes around
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Jan 16, 2022 11:45:53 GMT
Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 16, 2022 11:45:53 GMT
ok. do-over. It would appear from your link that I was wrong about this, thanks for making the effort. My mind remains open on the topic. I should just drop one of these ( ) and move on, but such a move goes against the very fiber of my being But fuck it
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Jan 16, 2022 11:51:03 GMT
Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 16, 2022 11:51:03 GMT
Look at you. I'm gonna' have to teach you how to do blue book citations. But you referred to a "politicized event". What politicized event were you referring to if not the current "pandemic"? I can agree that in some instances quarantine and contact tracing would result in an excellent cost/benefit. Jacobson apparently establishes the Constitutional precedent for those policies, but it would likely inevitably take a politicized process including litigation to put it into place, regardless of the details of the contagion. Covid has been politicized from the beginning, so they didn't have an opportunity to utilize the playbook And now with this new precedent being set by the public we'll probably be good and truly fucked when something worse comes around Well, now you're playing solo ping-pong: do you or don't you think that quarantine would have been a good policy for covid-19? I ask because now and here you seemed to imply that you do think it would be a good idea.
I agree that if there's a serious future contagion that lockdowns, masks and rush-vax (or any one or combo of the two) might work, but that now we're less likely to be able to get that done. I'd lay the fault on the fear pornographer's, not the people who have called bullshit on the authoritarian antics this time around.
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Jan 16, 2022 12:12:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 12:12:23 GMT
Covid has been politicized from the beginning, so they didn't have an opportunity to utilize the playbook And now with this new precedent being set by the public we'll probably be good and truly fucked when something worse comes around Well, now you're playing solo ping-pong: do you or don't you think that quarantine would have been a good policy for covid-19? I ask because now and here you seemed to imply that you do think it would be a good idea. I agree that if there's a serious future contagion that lockdowns, masks and rush-vax (or any one or combo of the two) might work, but that now we're less likely to be able to get that done. I'd lay the fault on the fear pornographer's, not the people who have called bullshit on the authoritarian antics this time around.
The only way that works is if there is a worldwide concerted effort.. and I don't think such a thing is possible anymore. But covid originated in China, and they weren't honest about it for whatever reason, so that hampered the response. The genie was already out of the bottle.. then planes and boats distributed it worldwide. So it was probably too late for a quarantine to have much success. Besides, did they even have a test for it in the early days? Hard to know what you're dealing with without one.
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Jan 16, 2022 12:19:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 12:19:01 GMT
But whats your deal? 'Covid ain't that bad, let the chips fall where they may'
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Jan 16, 2022 13:06:22 GMT
Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 16, 2022 13:06:22 GMT
Well, now you're playing solo ping-pong: do you or don't you think that quarantine would have been a good policy for covid-19? I ask because now and here you seemed to imply that you do think it would be a good idea. I agree that if there's a serious future contagion that lockdowns, masks and rush-vax (or any one or combo of the two) might work, but that now we're less likely to be able to get that done. I'd lay the fault on the fear pornographer's, not the people who have called bullshit on the authoritarian antics this time around.
The only way that works is if there is a worldwide concerted effort.. and I don't think such a thing is possible anymore. But covid originated in China, and they weren't honest about it for whatever reason, so that hampered the response. The genie was already out of the bottle.. then planes and boats distributed it worldwide. So it was probably too late for a quarantine to have much success. Besides, did they even have a test for it in the early days? Hard to know what you're dealing with without one. oh, ok, I see your idea here is to catch it at the source. Dunno' if that was possible with this one or not. Except, that the preponderance of the circumstantial evidence is that this thing was contrived in a lab, so, the easiest path to dealing with it would have been not to create it in the first place.
By way of digression from there, I'd opine that the CCP and the PLA bear some responsibility for this, but I strongly suspect they were being used.
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Jan 16, 2022 13:10:19 GMT
Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 16, 2022 13:10:19 GMT
But whats your deal? 'Covid ain't that bad, let the chips fall where they may' Two logical fallacies in one: "straw man" + "argument from the extreme" and even topped with figgy's favorite cherry "didn't you see the question mark? ". Aces! Well done!
My deal is that covid wasn't bad enough to justify the cost/benefit of lockdowns, shutdowns and mass vaccination, and masks don't work.
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