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Post by Enigma on Aug 17, 2020 13:24:51 GMT
I understand his sentiment, but the cycle of angry divisiveness is just as sickening as the Cannon nightmare. He's absolutely right about the troll that would post what they did about Cannon, and sometimes, eventually, evil has to be met with force .. but man .. it's beyond sad. If anything, I'm just as affronted by the hijacking of whatever legitimate grievance black Americans genuinely have. The media and other culture is pushing this catch phrase: "racial reckoning". But in the long run, none of this unrest or these sad times are any kind of end point. Life goes on, and people who live it relatively free of all these imagined cultural boundaries, who do their thing peacefully, work, raise families, obey the law rather than injure other's .. they're the only ones on the "right side of history". "Racial reckoning", my ass. I'm finding myself getting progressively more grateful for the hillbilly survivalist militia that's teaming up with the police to escort antifa out of their towns. There's civil war a-comin and I welcome it.
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Post by Enigma on Aug 17, 2020 16:08:08 GMT
I'm gonna just let this hour of horrible awfulness to speak for itself. (not that Mille is awful .. but what she's revealing ...)
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Aug 17, 2020 19:28:12 GMT
Post by muttley on Aug 17, 2020 19:28:12 GMT
Emptiness + compassion. Simple! Love the irony in the similarity of the disease/cure words: wetico/wibigo.
It's quite a mouthful he starts with: "... in such a way that we become conditioned by our own projections .. in an infinitely self-perpetuating feedback loop which is the very portal by which wetico comes into us".. You won't remember but years ago I was fascinated with the idea of √-1 and how it applies to this idea of infinite regress. God falls into his/her own dream as follows: perception is objectified and the perceiver mistakes the object of perception for themselves. But, of course, "perceiver" is a pointer. An ultimate subject, not an appearance, that never appears. And, this is dynamic: subject sees object sees subject sees object .. etc. This is the infinite regress, and, even in undoing it, even in seeing the false, as false, there's no perceiving the ultimate subject, which is why the only possible end is realization.
So, that's the machine. That's the false. Even any intellect can see this and understand it for what it is. But culture is littered with minds that made it that far.
Also, on a more prosaic note, the notion of projection and how it relates to the forum dialogs is, yes, ever so clear. Frognetics!
The good news, of course, is that while the human mind is the complexity of the 10 gazillion thingies, the existential truth is simplicity, incarnate. Niz said, give up "I am ___". Refuse all but .. "I am". This is what I take your notion of "noticing" to cut to, at the core, and to the quick. Interesting how we see the opposite of that playing out with such drama in the news these days.
In SS yesterday, Marie wanted to explore the 'mechanics of creation'. I croaked "mechanics?" Turns out she was hoping to find a way to intercede in the process. I had to say that ultimately there's no process in which to intercede and no intercessor, the clear seeing of which may, itself, constitute a sort of intercession, but it got me looking at this infinite 'progression' that you imply as a kind of pseudo process; Creation observing it's own creation, forming beliefs about what has been created, which are creative, etc, leading to, among other things, a stabilization of experience in the face of moment to moment infinite potential, which by all rights should be perpetual chaos. 'We' are not really "masters of limitation", as Bashar quips, but the point is well taken in that the foundation of experience is about setting limits and boundaries where there truly are none. .. and what occurs to me on reflection of what your wrote is the meaning evoked by Levy's use of the word "infinite". The false, as he describes it, manifests an appearance of limitlessness, whereas, of course, limitlessness, is, the existential truth.
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Aug 17, 2020 19:45:42 GMT
Post by muttley on Aug 17, 2020 19:45:42 GMT
I understand his sentiment, but the cycle of angry divisiveness is just as sickening as the Cannon nightmare. He's absolutely right about the troll that would post what they did about Cannon, and sometimes, eventually, evil has to be met with force .. but man .. it's beyond sad. If anything, I'm just as affronted by the hijacking of whatever legitimate grievance black Americans genuinely have. The media and other culture is pushing this catch phrase: "racial reckoning". But in the long run, none of this unrest or these sad times are any kind of end point. Life goes on, and people who live it relatively free of all these imagined cultural boundaries, who do their thing peacefully, work, raise families, obey the law rather than injure other's .. they're the only ones on the "right side of history". "Racial reckoning", my ass. I'm finding myself getting progressively more grateful for the hillbilly survivalist militia that's teaming up with the police to escort antifa out of their towns. There's civil war a-comin and I welcome it. I don't. This is the '10's, '20's and '30's in Europe replaying itself, and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I do have to admit that, unfortunately, as that time illustrates so well, sometimes violence is necessary, which is about as stark an illustration of the insanity of the people-peep dream as there ever can be.
On the bright side, it seems to me that the divide from 100 years ago was actually an organic, bottom-up expression of thousands of years of accumulated karma in that region/peoples, and the energy of working through it was correspondingly massive. This divide, right now, has some of that at it's core, but it's mostly that wrapped into a giant ball of top-down, Machiavellian manipulation, with the one's favoring the discord within the U.S. as a very loose and shaky coalition with very different and completely conflicting interests. The foreign interests in our instability are as obvious as they are multiple.
The best lies have just the right amount of truth at their core. So it goes with critical race theory, revisionist American history (which goes for the past conventional historical narrative, as well), neo-Marxism and all of the economic and political movements that would constrict American liberty and parasitically pile up more debt based on environmental concerns. Seems to me that WIBIGO would demand acknowledgement of those (relative) truths, while at the same time calling out the manipulation of them.
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Post by muttley on Aug 17, 2020 20:05:08 GMT
I'm gonna just let this hour of horrible awfulness to speak for itself. (not that Mille is awful .. but what she's revealing ...)
ok. That's it. Right there. Noone should ever post another picture or gif again. The definitive instance. Has happened. There's no topping that. Ever.
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Aug 17, 2020 20:12:22 GMT
Post by Enigma on Aug 17, 2020 20:12:22 GMT
I'm finding myself getting progressively more grateful for the hillbilly survivalist militia that's teaming up with the police to escort antifa out of their towns. There's civil war a-comin and I welcome it. I don't. This is the '10's, '20's and '30's in Europe replaying itself, and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I do have to admit that, unfortunately, as that time illustrates so well, sometimes violence is necessary, which is about as stark an illustration of the insanity of the people-peep dream as there ever can be.
On the bright side, it seems to me that the divide from 100 years ago was actually an organic, bottom-up expression of thousands of years of accumulated karma in that region/peoples, and the energy of working through it was correspondingly massive. This divide, right now, has some of that at it's core, but it's mostly that wrapped into a giant ball of top-down, Machiavellian manipulation, with the one's favoring the discord within the U.S. as a very loose and shaky coalition with very different and completely conflicting interests. The foreign interests in our instability are as obvious as they are multiple.
The best lies have just the right amount of truth at their core. So it goes with critical race theory, revisionist American history (as well as the past conventional historical narrative, as well), neo-Marxism and all of the economic and political movements that would constrict American liberty and parasitically pile up more debt based on environmental concerns. Seems to me that WIBIGO would demand acknowledgement of those (relative) truths, while at the same time calling out the manipulation of them.
I don't want all out war. Rather, I want a rather forceful demonstration to those who are not even on the battlefield that we will not acquiesce so easily. I'm guessing nobody really has the stomach for it and I want to test that theory.
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Post by muttley on Aug 17, 2020 20:22:50 GMT
I don't. This is the '10's, '20's and '30's in Europe replaying itself, and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I do have to admit that, unfortunately, as that time illustrates so well, sometimes violence is necessary, which is about as stark an illustration of the insanity of the people-peep dream as there ever can be.
On the bright side, it seems to me that the divide from 100 years ago was actually an organic, bottom-up expression of thousands of years of accumulated karma in that region/peoples, and the energy of working through it was correspondingly massive. This divide, right now, has some of that at it's core, but it's mostly that wrapped into a giant ball of top-down, Machiavellian manipulation, with the one's favoring the discord within the U.S. as a very loose and shaky coalition with very different and completely conflicting interests. The foreign interests in our instability are as obvious as they are multiple.
The best lies have just the right amount of truth at their core. So it goes with critical race theory, revisionist American history (as well as the past conventional historical narrative, as well), neo-Marxism and all of the economic and political movements that would constrict American liberty and parasitically pile up more debt based on environmental concerns. Seems to me that WIBIGO would demand acknowledgement of those (relative) truths, while at the same time calling out the manipulation of them.
I don't want all out war. Rather, I want a rather forceful demonstration to those who are not even on the battlefield that we will not acquiesce so easily. I'm guessing nobody really has the stomach for it and I want to test that theory. Yes, the longer the rioting is allowed to continue the worse it will get. I mentioned this before, but Lara Logan was on Ingram's show a few weeks back and surprised her with the notion that the rioter playbook is straight out of the military industrial complex. These tactics are what was behind, for example, the "Arab Spring".
There was this one clip where they were wailing on a few cop cars with the police in a line a few yards away, and when the police started advancing on them, the rioter's suddenly stopped vandalizing and put their hands up. Maximum provocation/passive aggression with the likely ultimate goal of creating martyrs. That they haven't succeeded yet is actually quite remarkable, but it's only gone on this long with the complicity of the urban political "leaders".
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Aug 17, 2020 21:06:16 GMT
Post by Figgles on Aug 17, 2020 21:06:16 GMT
I don't. This is the '10's, '20's and '30's in Europe replaying itself, and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I do have to admit that, unfortunately, as that time illustrates so well, sometimes violence is necessary, which is about as stark an illustration of the insanity of the people-peep dream as there ever can be. On the bright side, it seems to me that the divide from 100 years ago was actually an organic, bottom-up expression of thousands of years of accumulated karma in that region/peoples, and the energy of working through it was correspondingly massive. This divide, right now, has some of that at it's core, but it's mostly that wrapped into a giant ball of top-down, Machiavellian manipulation, with the one's favoring the discord within the U.S. as a very loose and shaky coalition with very different and completely conflicting interests. The foreign interests in our instability are as obvious as they are multiple.
The best lies have just the right amount of truth at their core. So it goes with critical race theory, revisionist American history (as well as the past conventional historical narrative, as well), neo-Marxism and all of the economic and political movements that would constrict American liberty and parasitically pile up more debt based on environmental concerns. Seems to me that WIBIGO would demand acknowledgement of those (relative) truths, while at the same time calling out the manipulation of them.
I don't want all out war. Rather, I want a rather forceful demonstration to those who are not even on the battlefield that we will not acquiesce so easily. I'm guessing nobody really has the stomach for it and I want to test that theory. Well put...at times it really does seem to be edging up there to that forceful demonstration, feels like we're just on the precipice ..teetering towards that single straw that breaks it all wide open...where enough folks say 'enough'!....but then I get a fb comment like this and I figure we're all screwed.
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Post by Enigma on Aug 18, 2020 1:31:01 GMT
I don't want all out war. Rather, I want a rather forceful demonstration to those who are not even on the battlefield that we will not acquiesce so easily. I'm guessing nobody really has the stomach for it and I want to test that theory. Yes, the longer the rioting is allowed to continue the worse it will get. I mentioned this before, but Lara Logan was on Ingram's show a few weeks back and surprised her with the notion that the rioter playbook is straight out of the military industrial complex. These tactics are what was behind, for example, the "Arab Spring".
There was this one clip where they were wailing on a few cop cars with the police in a line a few yards away, and when the police started advancing on them, the rioter's suddenly stopped vandalizing and put their hands up. Maximum provocation/passive aggression with the likely ultimate goal of creating martyrs. That they haven't succeeded yet is actually quite remarkable, but it's only gone on this long with the complicity of the urban political "leaders". Or perhaps letting the MSM characterize it as the evil cops breaking up a peaceful protest, cuz ya know that's all they're doing is protesting.
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Aug 18, 2020 1:35:05 GMT
Post by Enigma on Aug 18, 2020 1:35:05 GMT
I don't want all out war. Rather, I want a rather forceful demonstration to those who are not even on the battlefield that we will not acquiesce so easily. I'm guessing nobody really has the stomach for it and I want to test that theory. Well put...at times it really does seem to be edging up there to that forceful demonstration, feels like we're just on the precipice ..teetering towards that single straw that breaks it all wide open...where enough folks say 'enough'!....but then I get a fb comment like this and I figure we're all screwed. Frustrating thing is, you don't even know if that post is real.
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