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Aug 14, 2020 20:47:11 GMT
Post by Figgles on Aug 14, 2020 20:47:11 GMT
Really enjoyed that! (yes - Frogism if I've ever heard it!! )
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Aug 14, 2020 20:48:05 GMT
Post by Figgles on Aug 14, 2020 20:48:05 GMT
A very mysterious happening: The seasonal flu in South Africa (southern hemisphere) has been conquered for the first time in 40 years. No cases. At the same time, there are 580,000 Covid cases and 11,000 deaths. Seems Covid is the cure for the seasonal flu! I started the video there but the whole thing is worth watching. Whoops, youtube censors found it. This is a link from Parler, which you might have to sign up for, (maybe not) but they don't censor so one of these alternate formats may soon become necessary. You can skip to 33:50 if you like. Parler
Fuckers!
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Post by Enigma on Aug 15, 2020 0:18:04 GMT
Whoops, youtube censors found it. This is a link from Parler, which you might have to sign up for, (maybe not) but they don't censor so one of these alternate formats may soon become necessary. You can skip to 33:50 if you like. Parler
Fuckers! Actually, I found it on parler, but the link takes you to Icke's website to watch the video that the fuckers banned.
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Corono
Aug 15, 2020 1:58:05 GMT
Post by Figgles on Aug 15, 2020 1:58:05 GMT
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Post by muttley on Aug 15, 2020 11:39:21 GMT
Emptiness + compassion. Simple! Love the irony in the similarity of the disease/cure words: wetico/wibigo.
It's quite a mouthful he starts with: "... in such a way that we become conditioned by our own projections .. in an infinitely self-perpetuating feedback loop which is the very portal by which wetico comes into us".. You won't remember but years ago I was fascinated with the idea of √-1 and how it applies to this idea of infinite regress. God falls into his/her own dream as follows: perception is objectified and the perceiver mistakes the object of perception for themselves. But, of course, "perceiver" is a pointer. An ultimate subject, not an appearance, that never appears. And, this is dynamic: subject sees object sees subject sees object .. etc. This is the infinite regress, and, even in undoing it, even in seeing the false, as false, there's no perceiving the ultimate subject, which is why the only possible end is realization.
So, that's the machine. That's the false. Even any intellect can see this and understand it for what it is. But culture is littered with minds that made it that far.
Also, on a more prosaic note, the notion of projection and how it relates to the forum dialogs is, yes, ever so clear. Frognetics!
The good news, of course, is that while the human mind is the complexity of the 10 gazillion thingies, the existential truth is simplicity, incarnate. Niz said, give up "I am ___". Refuse all but .. "I am". This is what I take your notion of "noticing" to cut to, at the core, and to the quick. Interesting how we see the opposite of that playing out with such drama in the news these days.
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Post by Enigma on Aug 15, 2020 20:56:39 GMT
Emptiness + compassion. Simple! Love the irony in the similarity of the disease/cure words: wetico/wibigo.
It's quite a mouthful he starts with: "... in such a way that we become conditioned by our own projections .. in an infinitely self-perpetuating feedback loop which is the very portal by which wetico comes into us".. You won't remember but years ago I was fascinated with the idea of √-1 and how it applies to this idea of infinite regress. God falls into his/her own dream as follows: perception is objectified and the perceiver mistakes the object of perception for themselves. But, of course, "perceiver" is a pointer. An ultimate subject, not an appearance, that never appears. And, this is dynamic: subject sees object sees subject sees object .. etc. This is the infinite regress, and, even in undoing it, even in seeing the false, as false, there's no perceiving the ultimate subject, which is why the only possible end is realization.
So, that's the machine. That's the false. Even any intellect can see this and understand it for what it is. But culture is littered with minds that made it that far.
Also, on a more prosaic note, the notion of projection and how it relates to the forum dialogs is, yes, ever so clear. Frognetics!
The good news, of course, is that while the human mind is the complexity of the 10 gazillion thingies, the existential truth is simplicity, incarnate. Niz said, give up "I am ___". Refuse all but .. "I am". This is what I take your notion of "noticing" to cut to, at the core, and to the quick. Interesting how we see the opposite of that playing out with such drama in the news these days.
In SS yesterday, Marie wanted to explore the 'mechanics of creation'. I croaked "mechanics?" Turns out she was hoping to find a way to intercede in the process. I had to say that ultimately there's no process in which to intercede and no intercessor, the clear seeing of which may, itself, constitute a sort of intercession, but it got me looking at this infinite 'progression' that you imply as a kind of pseudo process; Creation observing it's own creation, forming beliefs about what has been created, which are creative, etc, leading to, among other things, a stabilization of experience in the face of moment to moment infinite potential, which by all rights should be perpetual chaos. 'We' are not really "masters of limitation", as Bashar quips, but the point is well taken in that the foundation of experience is about setting limits and boundaries where there truly are none.
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Post by Enigma on Aug 16, 2020 14:45:48 GMT
Pissed off!
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Aug 17, 2020 4:07:54 GMT
Post by muttley on Aug 17, 2020 4:07:54 GMT
Emptiness + compassion. Simple! Love the irony in the similarity of the disease/cure words: wetico/wibigo.
It's quite a mouthful he starts with: "... in such a way that we become conditioned by our own projections .. in an infinitely self-perpetuating feedback loop which is the very portal by which wetico comes into us".. You won't remember but years ago I was fascinated with the idea of √-1 and how it applies to this idea of infinite regress. God falls into his/her own dream as follows: perception is objectified and the perceiver mistakes the object of perception for themselves. But, of course, "perceiver" is a pointer. An ultimate subject, not an appearance, that never appears. And, this is dynamic: subject sees object sees subject sees object .. etc. This is the infinite regress, and, even in undoing it, even in seeing the false, as false, there's no perceiving the ultimate subject, which is why the only possible end is realization.
So, that's the machine. That's the false. Even any intellect can see this and understand it for what it is. But culture is littered with minds that made it that far.
Also, on a more prosaic note, the notion of projection and how it relates to the forum dialogs is, yes, ever so clear. Frognetics!
The good news, of course, is that while the human mind is the complexity of the 10 gazillion thingies, the existential truth is simplicity, incarnate. Niz said, give up "I am ___". Refuse all but .. "I am". This is what I take your notion of "noticing" to cut to, at the core, and to the quick. Interesting how we see the opposite of that playing out with such drama in the news these days.
In SS yesterday, Marie wanted to explore the 'mechanics of creation'. I croaked "mechanics?" Turns out she was hoping to find a way to intercede in the process. I had to say that ultimately there's no process in which to intercede and no intercessor, the clear seeing of which may, itself, constitute a sort of intercession, but it got me looking at this infinite 'progression' that you imply as a kind of pseudo process; Creation observing it's own creation, forming beliefs about what has been created, which are creative, etc, leading to, among other things, a stabilization of experience in the face of moment to moment infinite potential, which by all rights should be perpetual chaos. 'We' are not really "masters of limitation", as Bashar quips, but the point is well taken in that the foundation of experience is about setting limits and boundaries where there truly are none.
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Aug 17, 2020 4:35:47 GMT
Post by muttley on Aug 17, 2020 4:35:47 GMT
I understand his sentiment, but the cycle of angry divisiveness is just as sickening as the Cannon nightmare. He's absolutely right about the troll that would post what they did about Cannon, and sometimes, eventually, evil has to be met with force .. but man .. it's beyond sad. If anything, I'm just as affronted by the hijacking of whatever legitimate grievance black Americans genuinely have. The media and other culture is pushing this catch phrase: "racial reckoning". But in the long run, none of this unrest or these sad times are any kind of end point. Life goes on, and people who live it relatively free of all these imagined cultural boundaries, who do their thing peacefully, work, raise families, obey the law rather than injure other's .. they're the only ones on the "right side of history". "Racial reckoning", my ass.
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Aug 17, 2020 6:53:52 GMT
Post by muttley on Aug 17, 2020 6:53:52 GMT
I'm gonna just let this hour of horrible awfulness to speak for itself. (not that Mille is awful .. but what she's revealing ...)
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