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Post by Figgles on May 7, 2017 16:58:12 GMT
"When we are looking at the influence of unseen forces in daily affairs--in the acquisition of a house or a dog, in the rightness of a motorcycle accident, in the writing of a book, in the way the ball bounces or the cookie crumbles--the overarching significance is not that these unseen forces are miraculous powers of the few, but the natural and rightful abilities of all.
They are commonly dabbled with and dimly perceived and called many names from the eyes-closed, segregated perspective, but they can only be truly possessed and developed from the eyes-open, integrated perspective.
Soon after I scrambled to come up with the buying price, the house I was trying to buy in Ajijic fell through. I knew exactly what was going on, even though I had absolutely no idea. then, when the other house, my lifelong ideal house, became available shortly after, I wasn't shocked or amazed; I was pleased and grateful. When Maya, the dog, appeared, I wasn't falling all over myself in a panic to acquire her; I recognized her immediately because I had been moving toward her for months. It never occurred to me that she wouldn't become mind. I wasn't at all surprised to learn that her current owners were trying to find a new home for her.
I can go on with stories like these...I could write pages every evening about the patterns that had been visible in various stages of unfolding only that day; of waves just becoming visible as distant swells....From these patterns I know what will happen, and just as importantly, what won't.
I didn't know the first house deal would fall through, but I knew it was part of a larger process that was yet to be fully revealed, and I never suspected that bad luck had befallen me, or that the universe was acting in some malevolent or random fashion.. When my grand uncle's house came into the picture, and me in the highly unlikely position to act on it, I wasn't flabbergasted or stunned ,I was like a kid who claps in delight when a magician, after a suspenseful buildup, makes a pony disappear." Jed Mckenna
The above quote of Jed McKenna's (Spiritual Warfar - Book 3) describes perfectly what it means to live in the knowing that despite appearances to the contrary, all is moving towards positive manifestation of my desires.
I've been there myself, knowing that I am in alignment with 'a plan,' and then something happens that appears to be contrary to that, but instead of getting carried away into negativity by that seemingly negative appearance, trusting that that seemingly negative happening is actually a cog in the unfolding of things, that is actually leading to an even better outcome.
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Post by Anja on May 15, 2017 12:04:06 GMT
Thank you, Figgles.
I think Jed McKenna talks about being in God's hand and knowing it. I think he talks about unshakable faith in either Gods good will/intention or ones own good will/intention that everything that is happening to oneself is the best solution possible under the given circumstances for all who are involved in a certain scenario in which God (Love) is the director. I think Jed McKenna talks about the fact that God's will/intention and the integrated individuals will/intention are not seperated from each other, which means they are non-dual. It's like saying/knowing, "what ever God wants to happen to me and through me, I want it to happen to me and through me too. God and I we are not seperated from each other. "Thy will be done" is the same as my will be done."
"We are in God's hand, brother, not in theirs." - W. Shakespeare, King Henry V
Sometimes I wonder if Jed McKenna, the author, is a guy like Bill Hicks or actually is Bill Hicks, who did not die but merely declared his death. What if that is the case? Would anybody still think the Jed McKenna character portraited in the books is arrogant and narcissistic by claiming to be (the only) enlightened being alive right now? What if the author Jed McKenna is Bill Hicks, who after his carriere as a stand-up comedian not just became the author Jed McKenna but is working in the field of medicine right now, which somehow is his third carriere beside having been a successfull comedian and being a successfull author of spiritual literature who wrote six books by now. And not to forget that Bill Hicks also was a pretty good musician also.
Wouldn't that explain why the Jed McKenna character seem to look down upon regular spiritual seekers and so called spiritual teachers? I certainly think so. And it would also be a good rebuttal for the notion that it is all about the message and not about the messenger. It would make the point that it indeed is also about the messenger and not just about content of the message. Like Jed McKenna explains in the book Spiritual Warfare by using a character named Bob, who is a zen teacher who lately wrote a book and by that would be considered to move from the student position to the teachers chair. Bob says all the right things, Jed writes, but with the wrong spin. Bob says the right things but is the wrong person to say it.
So...it does matter who says what (and why). It's not just about the content of a particular message to make it true. It also depends on who delivers the message.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:02:06 GMT
Thank you, Figgles. I think Jed McKenna talks about being in God's hand and knowing it. I think he talks about unshakable faith in either Gods good will/intention or ones own good will/intention that everything that is happening to oneself is the best solution possible under the given circumstances for all who are involved in a certain scenario in which God (Love) is the director. I think Jed McKenna talks about the fact that God's will/intention and the integrated individuals will/intention are not seperated from each other, which means they are non-dual. It's like saying/knowing, "what ever God wants to happen to me and through me, I want it to happen to me and through me too. God and I we are not seperated from each other. "Thy will be done" is the same as my will be done." "We are in God's hand, brother, not in theirs." - W. Shakespeare, King Henry V Sometimes I wonder if Jed McKenna, the author, is a guy like Bill Hicks or actually is Bill Hicks, who did not die but merely declared his death. What if that is the case? Would anybody still think the Jed McKenna character portraited in the books is arrogant and narcissistic by claiming to be (the only) enlightened being alive right now? What if the author Jed McKenna is Bill Hicks, who after his carriere as a stand-up comedian not just became the author Jed McKenna but is working in the field of medicine right now, which somehow is his third carriere beside having been a successfull comedian and being a successfull author of spiritual literature who wrote six books by now. And not to forget that Bill Hicks also was a pretty good musician also. Wouldn't that explain why the Jed McKenna character seem to look down upon regular spiritual seekers and so called spiritual teachers? I certainly think so. And it would also be a good rebuttal for the notion that it is all about the message and not about the messenger. It would make the point that it indeed is also about the messenger and not just about content of the message. Like Jed McKenna explains in the book Spiritual Warfare by using a character named Bob, who is a zen teacher who lately wrote a book and by that would be considered to move from the student position to the teachers chair. Bob says all the right things, Jed writes, but with the wrong spin. Bob says the right things but is the wrong person to say it. So...it does matter who says what (and why). It's not just about the content of a particular message to make it true. It also depends on who delivers the message. To the bolded.... Jed's confused. His "measurement" in the above description is an obfuscation because the present has no 'time span.' BS such as this metabolizes in the body. Why isn't Jed acknowledging this to seekers? Because he's the wrong person to say it, or he's chosen to overlook it? Meanwhile, there are a lot of "I-wanna-be-like-Jed-type-teachers " as a result of this nonsense. To them I say- Good Luck. Jed's full of sh!t.
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Post by Figgles on May 15, 2017 16:20:49 GMT
Thank you, Figgles. I think Jed McKenna talks about being in God's hand and knowing it. I think he talks about unshakable faith in either Gods good will/intention or ones own good will/intention that everything that is happening to oneself is the best solution possible under the given circumstances for all who are involved in a certain scenario in which God (Love) is the director. I think Jed McKenna talks about the fact that God's will/intention and the integrated individuals will/intention are not seperated from each other, which means they are non-dual. It's like saying/knowing, "what ever God wants to happen to me and through me, I want it to happen to me and through me too. God and I we are not seperated from each other. "Thy will be done" is the same as my will be done.""We are in God's hand, brother, not in theirs." - W. Shakespeare, King Henry V Sometimes I wonder if Jed McKenna, the author, is a guy like Bill Hicks or actually is Bill Hicks, who did not die but merely declared his death. What if that is the case? Would anybody still think the Jed McKenna character portraited in the books is arrogant and narcissistic by claiming to be (the only) enlightened being alive right now? What if the author Jed McKenna is Bill Hicks, who after his carriere as a stand-up comedian not just became the author Jed McKenna but is working in the field of medicine right now, which somehow is his third carriere beside having been a successfull comedian and being a successfull author of spiritual literature who wrote six books by now. And not to forget that Bill Hicks also was a pretty good musician also. Wouldn't that explain why the Jed McKenna character seem to look down upon regular spiritual seekers and so called spiritual teachers? I certainly think so. And it would also be a good rebuttal for the notion that it is all about the message and not about the messenger. It would make the point that it indeed is also about the messenger and not just about content of the message. Like Jed McKenna explains in the book Spiritual Warfare by using a character named Bob, who is a zen teacher who lately wrote a book and by that would be considered to move from the student position to the teachers chair. Bob says all the right things, Jed writes, but with the wrong spin. Bob says the right things but is the wrong person to say it. So...it does matter who says what (and why). It's not just about the content of a particular message to make it true. It also depends on who delivers the message. Hi Anja, Welcome! yes, in the bolded I think you've very nicely summed up Jed's take on LOA. Mine too....I like how you've put that. Interesting food for thought re; Bill Hicks. No doubt, the mystery surrounding 'who' is behind the McKenna teachings has garnered some interesting theories. Jed has just released another book..might have to check it out...ring any "Bill Hicks" bells for you...?; Jed Talks #1...here's an excerpt: from “Satsang With Jed”
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Post by Anja on May 15, 2017 18:00:28 GMT
Whaaat?!?! Jed McKenna has written another book by now called "Satsang with Jed"? Have you read it already, Figgles?
Anyway...
...oh yes, the quote from the book indeed rang a bell,..."playing air-guitar with Jerry..." for example.
I just soooo totally adore Jed McKenna's (not just writing) style. That men has a real voice and knows how to use it like a boss. Dat dude issa feakin' genius, my friend, lemmy tell yah.
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Post by Figgles on May 15, 2017 19:38:09 GMT
Whaaat?!?! Jed McKenna has written another book by now called "Satsang with Jed"? Have you read it already, Figgles? Anyway... ...oh yes, the quote from the book indeed rang a bell,..."playing air-guitar with Jerry..." for example. I just soooo totally adore Jed McKenna's (not just writing) style. That men has a real voice and knows how to use it like a boss. Dat dude issa feakin' genius, my friend, lemmy tell yah. No...have not read this new one. "Satsang with Jed" is just one of the essays in the new book. Yeah, he's got style alright....will give him that. Are you familiar with the invisible guru forum? Whaddya think...in your opinion, is that the same dude that authored the books?
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Post by Anja on May 15, 2017 20:40:42 GMT
Whaaat?!?! Jed McKenna has written another book by now called "Satsang with Jed"? Have you read it already, Figgles? Anyway... ...oh yes, the quote from the book indeed rang a bell,..."playing air-guitar with Jerry..." for example. I just soooo totally adore Jed McKenna's (not just writing) style. That men has a real voice and knows how to use it like a boss. Dat dude issa feakin' genius, my friend, lemmy tell yah. No...have not read this new one. "Satsang with Jed" is just one of the essays in the new book. Yeah, he's got style alright....will give him that. Are you familiar with the invisible guru forum? Whaddya think...in your opinion, is that the same dude that authored the books? Yes I have looked into the forum but am not nor have been a member of it myself. And I think the Jed McKenna who posts in the forum and is the admin isn't (most of the time) the author of the books, at least not the first three Jed McKenna books. I'm not getting the same vibe from him, the forum Jed...but that's just me. I think the invisible-guru-forum Jed McKenna might be some sort of a secretary/assistent for the real Jed, a door-men. At least that is how I would deal with it if I would be Jed McKenna/Bill Hicks. I would let somebody else sort it out who is who and what is what if I would be him. By the way, Jed McKenna answered the good old zen koan Zendancer (Bob) also comes up with. The koan, "what was your face before your parents were born?", IMO is asking what your former incarnation(s) are. And Jed McKenna, in the second book, basically says, "look at Herman Melville and his novel Moby Dick. That's me". And he shows it by interpretating/extrapolating the (real) meaning of the novel as some sort of prove for that. What do you think about that?
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Post by Figgles on May 16, 2017 16:12:45 GMT
Yes I have looked into the forum but am not nor have been a member of it myself. And I think the Jed McKenna who posts in the forum and is the admin isn't (most of the time) the author of the books, at least not the first three Jed McKenna books. I'm not getting the same vibe from him, the forum Jed...but that's just me. I think the invisible-guru-forum Jed McKenna might be some sort of a secretary/assistent for the real Jed, a door-men. At least that is how I would deal with it if I would be Jed McKenna/Bill Hicks. I would let somebody else sort it out who is who and what is what if I would be him. Our assessments are similar. Yes, Just something 'off' about the dude running the forum that doesn't seem to me either to vibe with the author of the books. The very fact of running a forum and offering up teachings through skype is in counter to the stance the "Jed" of the books took towards the whole issue of gurus and teaching. Oh...that's interesting indeed. NO doubt, he was really enamored with the whole Moby Dick story and seemed to spend a lot of time making the point that he was able to interpret the 'true' meaning of the story in a way that most are not....so I'd say you're onto something there for sure. That actually explains what seemed to me to be a rather strange fascination with the Moby dick story...fwiw, I found those portions of the book where he dissected the story and gave his interpretation to be dry as a bone...boring as hell. I mean like....duh....of course the story and is metaphorical!
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Post by Anja on May 17, 2017 9:08:00 GMT
Interesting we agree on the notion that the forum Jed McKenna isn't the author of the books. You said the "real" Jed McKenna, the author, would not have such a forum. And I agree, it does not fit his character to engage in such kind of discussions on an internet forum. And what I said about the different vibe unfortunately is so vage and hard to discribe what that even means. But you're having the same feeling, right? It's in the style, in the way he expresses himself, the forum Jed, I sense a different energetic signature although there are similarities with the book author Jed also.
Anyway...
...I have to admit I very much enjoy to talk/write about Jed McKenna, the character and the author of the character, the books and who he might be and so on. It makes me feel good. Like as if I'm a teenager, talking to my teenage friend about the older guy from two classes above me I daily see in the school-yard, who I secretly adore.
And since I consider Jed McKenna to be Bill Hicks, I only feel love for him and everything he, the Jed character in the books, says and does which is just perfect in my eyes. A few years ago, before I considered Jed McKenna to be Bill Hicks, before I even knew who Bill Hicks was, I was critizising the Jed McKenna character too. I'm glad that these days are over now.
Coincidentally (...cough, cough...) I currently re-read Spiritual Warfare. And I'm writing a thankfullness diary in which I write 5 things each day I'm thankfull for. And I'm using a "mantra" I myself lately came up with. It goes like this: "Thank you, God. You are Love, the highest force in existence. Thank you for everything I'm experiencing. Please let me always be the best possible version of myself. Thank you."
Figgles, if you like me to continue to talk/elaborate about Jed McKenna and what I think/believe about him and the content of his work (the books)let me know it if you are interested in having a discussion about it. Else I shut up for now.
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Post by Figgles on May 17, 2017 20:50:01 GMT
Interesting we agree on the notion that the forum Jed McKenna isn't the author of the books. You said the "real" Jed McKenna, the author, would not have such a forum. And I agree, it does not fit his character to engage in such kind of discussions on an internet forum. And what I said about the different vibe unfortunately is so vage and hard to discribe what that even means. But you're having the same feeling, right? It's in the style, in the way he expresses himself, the forum Jed, I sense a different energetic signature although there are similarities with the book author Jed also.Yup. That's it in a nutshell, for me too. Just a different "energetic signature,"...great way to describe it. Cool. That's neat that now that you feel you've a handle on who Jed really is, you feel differently about him...I guess your belief that he is Bill Hicks, leads greater understanding of some of the stuff you criticized in the past...? A focus on gratitude/appreciation can be very powerful indeed. Sure, I'd be very interested. I find myself really loving some of what he says and how he says it, but turning my nose up at other stuff...so I really am kinda on the fence when it comes to the material.
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