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Post by Enigma on Feb 22, 2020 15:24:41 GMT
Acceptance is not the toadal acceptance of everything that is happening, without desire or action. imagine how that would look. You would wet yourself because you are just accepting that urination is what is happening. It wouldn't matter, though, because you probly would never get out of bed in the morning. Why I have to accept things which I can do by myself? If I have the urge to urinate, then I will by going into bath room. Your evidence that Figs did not accept her sons situation is that she took action to change it, like changing your bladder situation by going to the bathroom. You clearly did not accept that and were therefore suffering.
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Post by Enigma on Feb 22, 2020 15:26:59 GMT
We all respond to life experience. What else is there to respond to? You seem to know what that experience is for others, and what the response will be. From that, you derive various conclusions about their internal state. Other people are there for me is something internal which I surely can not make you known. Sometime in the future, you may see what I am saying now. I don't get what that has to do with what we're talking about.
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Post by Enigma on Feb 22, 2020 15:29:06 GMT
I have not been arguing against that. Obviously, where there is suffering, there is not acceptance. That's a given. However, there are stories of folks, immersed within suffering, who then surrender completely, and cease pushing against the arising conditions that they have been resisting. And in the instance of that surrender, suffering ceases. If they cease pushing, then that's a new creation. That's not possible too. Surrender is not possible?
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Post by Enigma on Feb 22, 2020 15:41:23 GMT
That's what I'm saying. You read suffering into a story that does not convey suffering, based on the idea that you would suffer in the same story. You give complete power to the objective story and ignore the subjective, thereby missing the point. Story always has the power over your feelings but I am not denying the fact that clarity changes the story. Outer world always comes what goes in our inner. Inner creates the outer world. Some time outer world need not to change to get rid of something but Once clearly seen, then outer world inevitably confirms to what happened in inner. In other words, If you clearly know something which happens outside doesn't disturb you, then there is a freedom in your inner, this freedom subsequently would be expressed in your outer and that something would be collapsed. Okay, you're saying everybody lives in their own world which is entirely an expression of their 'inner'?
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Post by Enigma on Feb 22, 2020 15:43:38 GMT
The other wouldn't leave you as what? Other end would torture me, I can't escape from that. But when you know it's going to happen, it won't torture you?
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Post by Enigma on Feb 22, 2020 16:02:05 GMT
No, the person is not creating. There is no personal creation. Person is not creating, yes. We are witnessing the story which is unfolding infront of us and while we are witnessing the story, story is getting created by us. I am creating the story while I am perceiving it. So now you have to understand the fact that I am not ascribing the creating ability to the person. Doesn't the story have to be created before it is witnessed? To say creation and perception are the same just means there is no creation beyond the act of perception. This doesn't imply the act of perceiving creates the perception. There's no 'we' or 'us' implied in creation. 'We' are cameras with feet.
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Post by Enigma on Feb 22, 2020 16:05:08 GMT
Do you believe that experience can convey the transcendent truth? This is something you can't understand too. But I won't blame you for this too. Okay, your understanding is so far beyond mine that it's not possible to have this discussion. Got it.
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Post by Enigma on Feb 22, 2020 16:10:11 GMT
If your roller-coaster is still dipping into the suffering zone, then despite what you think, you actually still do. The mental overlay that gets layered upon non-problematic dips of the roller-coaster to take it down to suffering, hinge upon an imagined separate volitional person. This separate volitional person has gone away from me long time ago. What everybody here knows the truth is, I am awareness and everything is appearing to them, but what I additionally knows here is, What's appearing to me is created by me(emerging from my view point).So if you struggle, your viewpoint is that you are a SVP.
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Post by Enigma on Feb 22, 2020 16:26:13 GMT
Recently Raj, there seems to be this strange sort of 'competitiveness' emanating from you where I am concerned. What's up? You say the same people in your life continue to exist even after you have seen the truth but I say that can't be the case. I don't know why this is happening to me this way but I have been consciously seeing this.Don't you mean to say you've been experiencing this?
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Post by Figgles on Feb 22, 2020 17:10:09 GMT
I'm sure I could tell you stories about stuff 'manifesting' in my own life, that you would find to be equally amazing/magical seeming.... happenings that seem to defy supposed laws of science. However, When that involves appearing people, it does not 'prove' that they have no power over what's happening, any more than it proves that you as a person has power over what's happening. Although it appears as though the person has power over what's happening, when we look from a Law of Attraction perspective, that's just an in the dream view of things. All that is being 'confirmed' is that arising desire, intent, interest, arising thought, feeling, and arising manifestation, are all correlated, and are all part and parcel of the dream-scape. Your very sense that you are controlling certain girls appearing in your life, and controlling when they exit is itself just an appearance within consciousness. That experience is not representative of a foundational Truth. Your thinking that you are actually 'in control' in that way, indicates that you've taken dream content to be Truthy. Being in control, manifesting that which you personally desire, is an experience only and not what's 'actually' going on. yes, this is something I definitely can not prove you. It's not possible.Right. And it's not even possible for you to prove to yourself that that is what is REALLY/Actually happening (that you are controlling their appearance/disappearance) and that is because, people appearing to you and then moving out of your experience, is dream-stuff...not Truthy....you cannot look to the content of your dream to know for absolute certain either about something within the dream or beyond the dream. Dream content is not Truthy.
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