Enigma
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Post by Enigma on Feb 19, 2020 20:34:32 GMT
You said there are two Truths. I am saying there is only one. If what you thought was Truth is seen to be not so, then here and now, it's no longer Truth. In delusion, what is actually True, is obscured. What you are taking be Truth, involves a delusion, a mistake of mind. Yes there is one truth. All I'm saying is that if what you think is the truth is false, it is nevertheless the truth for you until your perception changes. It's true that you see the snake until you see it's a rope and that is now the truth. That's not what you've been saying. You've been saying there are two truths. We've danced this drunken tango before.
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Post by Enigma on Feb 19, 2020 20:35:23 GMT
Alright. This sounds quite different to what you were saying (trolling ) before. I'm not a troll. 😀 You obviously are.
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Post by Figgles on Feb 19, 2020 20:38:22 GMT
You said there are two Truths. I am saying there is only one. If what you thought was Truth is seen to be not so, then here and now, it's no longer Truth. In delusion, what is actually True, is obscured. What you are taking be Truth, involves a delusion, a mistake of mind. Even if you don't see that it's not true, it's still not true. Still not. Never was. Never will be.
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Post by Enigma on Feb 19, 2020 20:57:29 GMT
I'll hafta remember that one! Seems to me you'd have to be really sober to make that work.
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Post by Figgles on Feb 19, 2020 21:58:53 GMT
I'll hafta remember that one! Seems to me you'd have to be really sober to make that work. Hehe...yeah, and really fit might help too!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 3:39:57 GMT
Seriously, is there something wrong with you? What you described was somebody believing something was true when it wasn't. That's not like their being a separate truth for the ignorant. There's still just one truth. Yes I agree but you can mistake the false for the true and therefore for you that is the truth. So I call that two truths because in the state of ignorance the truth is that you think you are a separate self, but what you think is truth is actually false. That gives way to the real truth. The reason I speak of it in that way is that I could be listening to someone who thinks they are speaking the truth, but I know it's not the truth but I recognize for them that it is the truth. So in listening to the conversation you could be hearing two truths as believed by each person.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 3:41:30 GMT
You said there are two Truths. I am saying there is only one. If what you thought was Truth is seen to be not so, then here and now, it's no longer Truth. In delusion, what is actually True, is obscured. What you are taking be Truth, involves a delusion, a mistake of mind. Even if you don't see that it's not true, it's still not true. Yes, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Post by Figgles on Feb 20, 2020 4:33:16 GMT
Even if you don't see that it's not true, it's still not true. Yes, hindsight is a wonderful thing. 20/20 they say.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 9:25:51 GMT
You did not accept the situation of your son, otherwise you wouldn't want any change in your son's condition. Acceptance is not the toadal acceptance of everything that is happening, without desire or action. imagine how that would look. You would wet yourself because you are just accepting that urination is what is happening. It wouldn't matter, though, because you probly would never get out of bed in the morning. Why I have to accept things which I can do by myself? If I have the urge to urinate, then I will by going into bath room.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 9:46:23 GMT
You would still find the fault in others and get angry when your rollercoaster movement goes high happiness and low unhappiness, This lower unhappiness moves people accordingly. You would be definitely acting out according to the story in which you are in. We all respond to life experience. What else is there to respond to? You seem to know what that experience is for others, and what the response will be. From that, you derive various conclusions about their internal state. Other people are there for me is something internal which I surely can not make you known. Sometime in the future, you may see what I am saying now.
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