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Jun 22, 2020 0:31:50 GMT
Post by Figgles on Jun 22, 2020 0:31:50 GMT
Now do you understand what I mean by destruction of mind? You should do if you thought that quote was "nice". We've always "understood," what you meant by it....the point always was that it's a poor term...likely the result of a less than accurate translation.
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Post by Enigma on Jun 22, 2020 3:33:06 GMT
Now do you understand what I mean by destruction of mind? You should do if you thought that quote was "nice". We've always "understood," what you meant by it....the point always was that it's a poor term...likely the result of a less than accurate translation. Yup, that's the deally. Particularly nonplussed about 'obliterated' and 'annihilated'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 3:47:52 GMT
Now do you understand what I mean by destruction of mind? You should do if you thought that quote was "nice". We've always "understood," what you meant by it....the point always was that it's a poor term...likely the result of a less than accurate translation. It's only a poor term to you because you don't have the direct knowledge of what it means. I found this explanation from Swami Sivananda which I highly recommend. sivanandaonline.org/public_html/?cmd=displaysection§ion_id=928
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Jun 22, 2020 5:12:56 GMT
Post by Figgles on Jun 22, 2020 5:12:56 GMT
We've always "understood," what you meant by it....the point always was that it's a poor term...likely the result of a less than accurate translation. It's only a poor term to you because you don't have the direct knowledge of what it means. I found this explanation from Swami Sivananda which I highly recommend. sivanandaonline.org/public_html/?cmd=displaysection§ion_id=928What's being spoken of then, is but a 'facet' of mind. It's the equivalent of 'seeing through the SVP...the doer...limitation....bondage'....the equivalent of 'cessation of identification with the person.' Wow....look at the references to the end of 'identification' with the body...the separate person! I stand by my assertion; The term 'annihilation of mind,' in reference to 'seeing through ignorance, doership, ego, bondage, limitation, is akin to referencing 'annihilation of the body,' in reference to 'losing weight.' It's unclear.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 5:32:44 GMT
What's being spoken of then, is but a 'facet' of mind. It's the equivalent of 'seeing through the SVP...the doer...limitation....bondage'....the equivalent of 'cessation of identification with the person.' Well I don't recall ever saying that manonasa, destruction of mind means you turn into a zombie! Again I would stress the difference between identify with and identify as. I do not identify as the body or the mind. But as an experiencer who experiences body, mind and world there is a relationship and because there is a relationship there is an identification with but not as.
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Jun 22, 2020 5:49:40 GMT
Post by Figgles on Jun 22, 2020 5:49:40 GMT
What's being spoken of then, is but a 'facet' of mind. It's the equivalent of 'seeing through the SVP...the doer...limitation....bondage'....the equivalent of 'cessation of identification with the person.' Well I don't recall ever saying that manonasa, destruction of mind means you turn into a zombie! Again I would stress the difference between identify with and identify as. I do not identify as the body or the mind. But as an experiencer who experiences body, mind and world there is a relationship and because there is a relationship there is an identification with but not as. From the page you linked to: sivanandaonline.org/public_html/?cmd=displaysection§ion_id=928
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 6:04:17 GMT
Well I don't recall ever saying that manonasa, destruction of mind means you turn into a zombie! Again I would stress the difference between identify with and identify as. I do not identify as the body or the mind. But as an experiencer who experiences body, mind and world there is a relationship and because there is a relationship there is an identification with but not as. From the page you linked to: sivanandaonline.org/public_html/?cmd=displaysection§ion_id=928Yes exactly! That is not identification as. Realization is freedom from the bondage of action.
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Jun 22, 2020 14:39:35 GMT
Post by Figgles on Jun 22, 2020 14:39:35 GMT
Yes exactly! That is not identification as. Realization is freedom from the bondage of action. It's the same thing. You're just playing word games. "Mind, ' considering it's false personality to be true,' is equal to 'identification AS (or with) false personality.' In other words, if you consider the false personality to be true, your 'identity' is as something false. Absent identification with/as the personality, the personality can still be 'recognized/identified.' But that's saying something completely different than 'I identify AS the personality.' Seriously dude, read through that page you linked to...the meaning of 'identification' is very clear.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 14:53:44 GMT
Yes exactly! That is not identification as. Realization is freedom from the bondage of action. It's the same thing. You're just playing word games. "Mind, ' considering it's false personality to be true,' is equal to 'identification AS (or with) false personality.' In other words, if you consider the false personality to be true, your 'identity' is as something false. Absent identification with/as the personality, the personality can still be 'recognized/identified.' But that's saying something completely different than 'I identify AS the personality.' Seriously dude, read through that page you linked to...the meaning of 'identification' is very clear. You just like to argue for the sake of argument. I'm assuming you can identify a fork and therefore identify with it as a utensil to shovel food into your mouth. 😀
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Jun 22, 2020 15:28:17 GMT
Post by Figgles on Jun 22, 2020 15:28:17 GMT
It's the same thing. You're just playing word games. "Mind, ' considering it's false personality to be true,' is equal to 'identification AS (or with) false personality.' In other words, if you consider the false personality to be true, your 'identity' is as something false. Absent identification with/as the personality, the personality can still be 'recognized/identified.' But that's saying something completely different than 'I identify AS the personality.' Seriously dude, read through that page you linked to...the meaning of 'identification' is very clear. You just like to argue for the sake of argument. I'm assuming you can identify a fork and therefore identify with it as a utensil to shovel food into your mouth. 😀 Nope...NOT arguing just for the sake of argument. It's an extremely important point that in SR, identification with the appearing person..the appearing personality, the individual, (pick a term) ends. Again, to 'identify' a fork is not the same as 'identification with/as a fork.' The former means that I can recognize, thus, pick a fork out of a drawer and not conflate it with a spoon....whereas the other means, I am taking myself to BE a fork. Similarly, I can 'identify/recognize' the appearing personality without 'identifying with/as' the personality. Again (from your link): What's being said there is: Identifying with (as) the appearing person/individual/body = ignorantly mistaking the person/doer to be the Truth.
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