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May 21, 2024 18:38:20 GMT
Post by Figgles on May 21, 2024 18:38:20 GMT
Bingo with a big fat cherry!! The moment a substantive knowing of "what" arises, is the moment (S)elf gets imagined in mind, as "some-thing" limited/bounded. This is the issue I keep talking about with those who insist they have Absolute, certain knowing of the inherent existence of multiple, discrete, perceiving entities. Yes, it's not wrong to say "I am all of it," so long as there's no identification with the appearing aspects of THIS. Ultimately, what exists fundamentally, is not a some-thing/some-one. "Whatness/some-thingness" appears within/to that some-nothing that abides as ground to all appearance. |
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May 21, 2024 18:39:42 GMT
Post by Figgles on May 21, 2024 18:39:42 GMT
Amen.
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May 22, 2024 23:04:52 GMT
Post by Figgles on May 22, 2024 23:04:52 GMT
All good so long mind doesn't try to milk concepts out of it!
To "know yourself" is not some instruction to acquire/gain knowledge "about" yourself an existent entity....rather, it is to see through the very erroneous idea of being "an existent entity/someone/some-thing."
And to know "I am the other," is not to know that appearing people, actually exist as perceiving/experiencing entities, rather, it's a seeing through of fundamental separation/other-ness.
Again, The "I do" know-ers say they've seen through other-ness, but then they turn around an affirm "other" in their supposed Absolute, certain knowing of discrete/unique perceiving/experiencing body/minds/entities.
Post SR, me character and "other" characters continue to play their part in relative experience, but it's now crystal clear that there is no Absolute substance (existence) there....it's all appearance only...all dream-stuff.
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May 25, 2024 16:28:56 GMT
Post by Figgles on May 25, 2024 16:28:56 GMT
Benevolent Demon
Before we can be right, we must stop being wrong. That’s another way of saying that on the journey of awakening, we have a long way to go before we can begin. We have to get back to the starting point we’ve spent our entire lives moving away from, only then can we set out in the right direction. Our cups are all full in the zenny parable sense, so before we can pour in the elixir, we must pour out the piss. - Jed McKenna
full article with audio at
Jedvaita.com
"The first precept was never to accept a thing as true until I knew it as such without a single doubt." - Rene Descartes
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May 25, 2024 16:29:33 GMT
Post by Figgles on May 25, 2024 16:29:33 GMT
"Your pain is the breaking of the
shell that encloses your understanding."
Khalil Gibran
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May 25, 2024 16:34:12 GMT
Post by Figgles on May 25, 2024 16:34:12 GMT
The Fates’ Lieutenant
Looking back over the more interesting part of my life, I don’t recall ever having a choice or making a decision. I didn’t make any decisions in the less interesting part either, but I certainly believed I did. Choice assumes free will, and we knowably don’t have free will because there’s knowably no true self to possess it, so that kinda puts a kibosh on the whole choosing and deciding thing. Still, as bogus beliefs go, freedom and selfhood are pretty good. - Jed mcKenna
full article with audio at
Jedvaita.com
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May 26, 2024 1:37:54 GMT
Post by Figgles on May 26, 2024 1:37:54 GMT
Hmmm. So you'd assume she's in that "every place is paradise," because she no longer holds to any unquestioned thoughts...?
But, If not for some degree of negative judgment towards apparent others who are not in that paradise place, there'd be no impetus towards urging them to question to their thoughts. Clearly, people who suffer due to believing their thoughts, is a facet of her experience that she judges as as something 'amiss'...important to change.
I wonder if she ever challenges the particular thought that says there is something in need of change, re: apparent others who are believing their unexamined thoughts...? If the entirety of circumstance is welcomed, embraced and loved, why not that one?
It's a very bold claim to say that absolutely everything in life, including bombs, earthquakes, disease, etc. are "looked forward to/personally, embraced/wanted." I'd say the very fact that she writes books and offers teachings to "help" others, contradicts her asserted blanket state of non-judgment.
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May 27, 2024 17:17:49 GMT
Post by Figgles on May 27, 2024 17:17:49 GMT
I think the 2nd quote really speaks to just how incompatible katie's approach is with LOA/deliberate creation theory.
LOA/deliberate creation just assumes that needy desires are natural...a given, unavoidable. But Katie has looked/seen deeper, to recognize that need-based desire hinges upon an erroneous belief system....a pattern of deep, unnecessary judgment applied to experiential content.
I think if one who is enamoured with LOA/deliberate creation theory were to focus in inquiry, solely upon her arising desires.....the how/what/why of them....really delve deep into the veracity of the thought/ideas that they float on, and in that, if inquiry is pointed enough, it's crystal clear that inherent to those "desires" that Reef's and the like, insist are integral to "feeling alive/having a great and happy life," is a buy-in to fundamental lack/limitation/boundedness....is a buy-in to the idea that specific conditions are necessary for happiness to be.
The most important self-help or spiritual teaching really is the one that illuminates the fact that happiness....contentment....a sense of peace, is NOT dependent upon the whims of the person, being satisfied....happiness is NOT dependent upon conditions that conform with personal ideas of how things should be.
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May 27, 2024 17:32:33 GMT
Post by Figgles on May 27, 2024 17:32:33 GMT
“Everyone is doing his job. No one is more valuable than another. The things in the world that we think are so terrible are actually great teachers. There’s no mistake, and there’s nothing lacking. We’re always going to get what we need, not what we think we need. Then we come to see that what we need is not only what we have, it’s what we want. Then we come to want only what is. That way we always succeed, whatever happens.”
― Byron Katie, A Thousand Names For Joy: How To Live In Harmony With The Way Things Are
“God’s will and your will are the same, whether you notice it or not. There’s no mistake in the universe. It’s not possible to have the concept “mistake” unless you’re comparing what is with what isn’t. Without the story in your mind, it’s all perfect. No mistake.”
― Byron Katie, A Thousand Names For Joy: How To Live In Harmony With The Way Things Are
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May 27, 2024 17:36:33 GMT
Post by Figgles on May 27, 2024 17:36:33 GMT
Woowee! Now, that one is a doozy, if grasped. What that one really is, is a very pointy pointer to "emptiness"...to "not knowing,"...to "absence of Absolute, certain knowing, relative to what appears."
Some Nonduality teachers would phrase what she is saying as "Ultimately, there is only YOU....you are all alone." But of course, that one really pisses off the seeking mind....scary-bears, that one!
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