Inavalan
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Post by Inavalan on Nov 27, 2021 1:38:16 GMT
I don't contest that you believe that you know the Truth. It is just that your conviction prevents you from seeing more clearly. By the way, knowledge about reality increases neither by sudden illumination, nor by accumulation, but by progressive unveiling of details. There is no "God/godding" either. That is another distortion, side-effect of vaccination, in this case religion. Religion cures distorted spiritual beliefs, as a leaky vaccine treats a fast mutating virus: it doesn't but creates more virulent mutations that ... This parallel goes quite far. God/Godding is a pointer...has nothing at all to do with the "God" referenced in various religions. Once again, you are failing royally to grasp my meaning. If you're truly interested in trying to understand what I'm getting at, you'd do well first to let the anger dissipate before you engage me...it has a way of further obscuring clarity. My point was that far from denigrating/putting down life experience, SR/awakening, seeing it all as an ephemeral arising in consciousness, illuminates the inherent divinity (again, another pointer as concepts fail here) of all of it. I am not angry at all. I am displeased with myself for wasting my time in exchanges that lead nowhere. "ephemeral arising in consciousness" ... "illuminates the inherent divinity of all of it" ... you keep using cliches. This is the difference between you and laughter, that brings you closer to zendancer. You hide your confusion with cliches, while laughter with rationalizations. I am not saying that you realize that you're confused. You don't because you don't follow your own advice to shut-up your distorted thinking and beliefs, and tap your inner guidance. |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 27, 2021 2:12:22 GMT
God/Godding is a pointer...has nothing at all to do with the "God" referenced in various religions. Once again, you are failing royally to grasp my meaning. If you're truly interested in trying to understand what I'm getting at, you'd do well first to let the anger dissipate before you engage me...it has a way of further obscuring clarity. My point was that far from denigrating/putting down life experience, SR/awakening, seeing it all as an ephemeral arising in consciousness, illuminates the inherent divinity (again, another pointer as concepts fail here) of all of it. I am not angry at all. I am displeased with myself for wasting my time in exchanges that lead nowhere. "ephemeral arising in consciousness" ... "illuminates the inherent divinity of all of it" ... you keep using cliches. This is the difference between you and laughter, that brings you closer to zendancer. You hide your confusion with cliches, while laughter with rationalizations. I am not saying that you realize that you're confused. You don't because you don't follow your own advice to shut-up your distorted thinking and beliefs, and tap your inner guidance. Pointers often do sound 'cliche' when there's an absence of reference for where they are actually pointing. & I think you're splitting hairs in denoting yourself to be 'displeased with yourself for wasting time,' vs. 'being angry.' That's a lack of clarity or self-honesty, perhaps both. |
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Inavalan
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Post by Inavalan on Nov 27, 2021 2:27:45 GMT
I am not angry at all. I am displeased with myself for wasting my time in exchanges that lead nowhere. "ephemeral arising in consciousness" ... "illuminates the inherent divinity of all of it" ... you keep using cliches. This is the difference between you and laughter, that brings you closer to zendancer. You hide your confusion with cliches, while laughter with rationalizations. I am not saying that you realize that you're confused. You don't because you don't follow your own advice to shut-up your distorted thinking and beliefs, and tap your inner guidance. Pointers often do sound ' cliche' when there's an absence of reference for where they are actually pointing. & I think you're splitting hairs in denoting yourself to be 'displeased with yourself for wasting time,' vs. 'being angry.' That's a lack of clarity or self-honesty, perhaps both. No. No. No. |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 27, 2021 2:33:12 GMT
Pointers often do sound ' cliche' when there's an absence of reference for where they are actually pointing. & I think you're splitting hairs in denoting yourself to be 'displeased with yourself for wasting time,' vs. 'being angry.' That's a lack of clarity or self-honesty, perhaps both. No. No. No. So....you're gonna take the time to tell me I'm wrong, but you never explain precisely why....you never directly address the content of my message....just a tone that rubs you the wrong way and a blanket statement that I am wrong, absent a direct explanation of why I am wrong. Interesting that you previously invoked the vax tryanny issue to draw a comparison...it's YOU who is engaging in precisely that kind of exchange/non-exchange....a complete dismissal without a direct explanation or rebuttal to points that are unceremoniously deemed wrong. |
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Post by Inavalan on Nov 27, 2021 3:13:08 GMT
So....you're gonna take the time to tell me I'm wrong, but you never explain precisely why....you never directly address the content of my message....just a tone that rubs you the wrong way and a blanket statement that I am wrong, absent a direct explanation of why I am wrong. Interesting that you previously invoked the vax tryanny issue to draw a comparison...it's YOU who is engaging in precisely that kind of exchange/non-exchange....a complete dismissal without a direct explanation or rebuttal to points that are unceremoniously deemed wrong. You don't understand the basic premise of my posts: I state my opinions with no pretense to convince anybody of anything. The only recommendation I make to whomever is to tap their own inner-guidance, while ignoring all gurus, dogmas, their own expectations and beliefs. I bounce my opinions off others just to get symbolic messages. I am a bouncing wall for them as well. I explained my beliefs many times, but it doesn't matter what I'm explaining but what the other understands. Almost every time you make an argument, in this post too, it shows me that we don't understand each other. We don't have to. |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 27, 2021 3:23:48 GMT
So....you're gonna take the time to tell me I'm wrong, but you never explain precisely why....you never directly address the content of my message....just a tone that rubs you the wrong way and a blanket statement that I am wrong, absent a direct explanation of why I am wrong. Interesting that you previously invoked the vax tryanny issue to draw a comparison...it's YOU who is engaging in precisely that kind of exchange/non-exchange....a complete dismissal without a direct explanation or rebuttal to points that are unceremoniously deemed wrong. You don't understand the basic premise of my posts: I state my opinions with no pretense to convince anybody of anything. The only recommendation I make to whomever is to tap their own inner-guidance, while ignoring all gurus, dogmas, their own expectations and beliefs. [/font][/b] I bounce my opinions off others just to get symbolic messages. I am a bouncing wall for them as well. I explained my beliefs many times, but it doesn't matter what I'm explaining but what the other understands. Almost every time you make an argument, in this post too, it shows me that we don't understand each other. We don't have to. [/quote] Re: your 'recommendation,'....Done.  I understand your position just fine. Essentially, It rubs you the wrong way that I make a distinction between what I call "Truth" vs. the beliefs that you espouse here about pendulums and Seth's channelings. But while I understand your position and your beliefs, you on the other hand have no reference at all for what I mean by the term 'SR/awakening.' |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Nov 27, 2021 9:25:52 GMT
I don't contest that you believe that you know the Truth. It is just that your conviction prevents you from seeing more clearly. By the way, knowledge about reality increases neither by sudden illumination, nor by accumulation, but by progressive unveiling of details. There is no "God/godding" either. That is another distortion, side-effect of vaccination, in this case religion. Religion cures distorted spiritual beliefs, as a leaky vaccine treats a fast mutating virus: it doesn't but creates more virulent mutations that ... This parallel goes quite far. God/Godding is a pointer...has nothing at all to do with the "God" referenced in various religions. Once again, you are failing royally to grasp my meaning. If you're truly interested in trying to understand what I'm getting at, you'd do well first to let the anger dissipate before you engage me...it has a way of further obscuring clarity. My point was that far from denigrating/putting down life experience, SR/awakening, seeing it all as an ephemeral arising in consciousness, illuminates the inherent divinity (again, another pointer as concepts fail here) of all of it. tee hee .. he's never read the story of you giving communion to your dog.  |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Nov 27, 2021 9:34:46 GMT
God/Godding is a pointer...has nothing at all to do with the "God" referenced in various religions. Once again, you are failing royally to grasp my meaning. If you're truly interested in trying to understand what I'm getting at, you'd do well first to let the anger dissipate before you engage me...it has a way of further obscuring clarity. My point was that far from denigrating/putting down life experience, SR/awakening, seeing it all as an ephemeral arising in consciousness, illuminates the inherent divinity (again, another pointer as concepts fail here) of all of it. I am not angry at all. I am displeased with myself for wasting my time in exchanges that lead nowhere. "ephemeral arising in consciousness" ... "illuminates the inherent divinity of all of it" ... you keep using cliches. This is the difference between you and laughter, that brings you closer to zendancer. You hide your confusion with cliches, while laughter with rationalizations. I am not saying that you realize that you're confused. You don't because you don't follow your own advice to shut-up your distorted thinking and beliefs, and tap your inner guidance. What seems to you as my confusion is your projection, coupled with an unwillingness to confront what it is that we're pointing to. On ST you connected "The only thing I know is that I know nothing" with "infinite knowledge", and finally, here, you describe exactly what you're referring to: By the way, knowledge about reality increases neither by sudden illumination, nor by accumulation, but by progressive unveiling of details. There is an inherent contradiction in your thought process. While I can understand the fine distinction between an accumulation and a progression, "The knowledge that you know nothing" can never be achieved with an endless incremental process of learning different somethings.  That, in and of itself isn't necessarily definitive as to whether or not you are confused. What is definitive, however, is that you are unconscious of the contradiction - or, at the very least, the significance of that contradiction. In this sense, there is no reality, and everything you've ever learned is ultimately only a relative creation of mind. Name one thing you've learned that isn't ephemeral. This has nothing to do with any belief, it's simply an observation. You talk about my beliefs: name them, what, exactly are you referring to? You've made your beliefs quite clear, and it is those beliefs that form the basis of your delusion. "Reality", is beyond belief. Quite literally. Does that sound to you as if I've stated a belief?  |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Nov 27, 2021 9:44:35 GMT
So....you're gonna take the time to tell me I'm wrong, but you never explain precisely why....you never directly address the content of my message....just a tone that rubs you the wrong way and a blanket statement that I am wrong, absent a direct explanation of why I am wrong. Interesting that you previously invoked the vax tryanny issue to draw a comparison...it's YOU who is engaging in precisely that kind of exchange/non-exchange....a complete dismissal without a direct explanation or rebuttal to points that are unceremoniously deemed wrong. You don't understand the basic premise of my posts: I state my opinions with no pretense to convince anybody of anything. The only recommendation I make to whomever is to tap their own inner-guidance, while ignoring all gurus, dogmas, their own expectations and beliefs. I bounce my opinions off others just to get symbolic messages. I am a bouncing wall for them as well. I explained my beliefs many times, but it doesn't matter what I'm explaining but what the other understands. Almost every time you make an argument, in this post too, it shows me that we don't understand each other. We don't have to. So, your quoting "Seth" is different from us quoting Niz or Adya or Tolle, right? See now, we both have these reciprocal opinions about one another along these lines, but the difference between you and I seems to me that I can understand why you think that, because I understand what a pointer means to me.
But your notion of intuition, this is quite interesting. What if your intuition, is wrong? Do you understand that this is the reciprocal to you opining that my pointers are a belief?
If you've never doubted your inner guidance, then you are missing a major opportunity friend. There is no capacity of mind that cannot deceive: not intellect, not emotion, and not what you consider to be intuition. Find out for yourself that your self-hypnosis can deceive. That might sound like an impossible task, but I assure you, it's quite possible. |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 27, 2021 17:02:57 GMT
God/Godding is a pointer...has nothing at all to do with the "God" referenced in various religions. Once again, you are failing royally to grasp my meaning. If you're truly interested in trying to understand what I'm getting at, you'd do well first to let the anger dissipate before you engage me...it has a way of further obscuring clarity. My point was that far from denigrating/putting down life experience, SR/awakening, seeing it all as an ephemeral arising in consciousness, illuminates the inherent divinity (again, another pointer as concepts fail here) of all of it. tee hee .. he's never read the story of you giving communion to your dog.  |
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That, in and of itself isn't necessarily definitive as to whether or not you are confused. What is definitive, however, is that you are unconscious of the contradiction - or, at the very least, the significance of that contradiction.