Inavalan
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Post by Inavalan on Sept 19, 2021 6:20:43 GMT
Oh my...that is rich indeed!  I think this was directed to me. It isn't that I don't want my opinions questioned. I just don't care about that. As I previously wrote: #1 if asked to explain, I'll explain#2 if somebody wants to argue, I'll refuse shortly, as I have no interest in convincing anybody, nor anybody can convince me in these matters. #3 if somebody say that they know the truth, I consider that ridiculous, and in most cases I'll tell them that. You seem to have misunderstood my position on arguments, although I explained it repeatedly. Same for @reefs and others, because you all formed your beliefs in a different way than I did. For you dogmas, sages, and such, matter. For me all those are symbolical and need to be interpreted intuitively. All "facts" are symbolical and have multi-layered symbolical meaning. |
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Post by Figgles on Sept 19, 2021 6:22:38 GMT
Oh my...that is rich indeed! I think this was directed to me. It isn't that I don't want my opinions questioned. I just don't care about that. As I previously wrote: #1 if asked to explain, I'll explain#2 if somebody wants to argue, I'll refuse shortly, as I have no interest in convincing anybody, nor anybody can convince me in these matters. #3 if somebody say that they know the truth, I consider that ridiculous, and in most cases I'll tell them that. You seem to have misunderstood my position on arguments, although I explained it repeatedly. Same for @reefs and others, because you all formed your beliefs in a different way than I did. For you dogmas, sages, and such, matter. For me all those are symbolical and need to be interpreted intuitively. All "facts" are symbolical and have multi-layered symbolical meaning. Yeah, no doubt he directed it to you. The reason I say "it's rich," is because Reefs ran me off the ST forum for asking him questions that he refused to answer. And fwiw, I do get your position on arguments and I have no problem with it. |
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Post by Inavalan on Sept 19, 2021 6:24:56 GMT
I think this was directed to me. It isn't that I don't want my opinions questioned. I just don't care about that. As I previously wrote: #1 if asked to explain, I'll explain#2 if somebody wants to argue, I'll refuse shortly, as I have no interest in convincing anybody, nor anybody can convince me in these matters. #3 if somebody say that they know the truth, I consider that ridiculous, and in most cases I'll tell them that. You seem to have misunderstood my position on arguments, although I explained it repeatedly. Same for @reefs and others, because you all formed your beliefs in a different way than I did. For you dogmas, sages, and such, matter. For me all those are symbolical and need to be interpreted intuitively. All "facts" are symbolical and have multi-layered symbolical meaning. Yeah, no doubt he directed it to you. The reason I say "it's rich," is because Reefs ran me off the ST forum for asking him questions that he refused to answer. And fwiw, I do get your position on arguments and I have no problem with it. Okay. Thanks. |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 26, 2021 19:57:26 GMT
I found this really interesting. Although it's an 'in the dream/scientific' explanation of why free will is an illusion...(it is shy of the realization of Oneness/absence of separation), it's a really good example of pre-awakening, WIBIGO clarity.
"Just because free will in an illusion doe not mean you are not allowed to use it as a thinking aid. If you've lived a good life so far by using your imagined free will, by all means, please keep on doing so. If it causes you cognitive dissonance to acknowledge a belief in something that doesn't exist, I suggest that you think of your life as a story which has not yet been told.
You are equipped with a thinking apparatus that you use to collect information and to act upon what you have learned from this. The results of that thinking is determined--you have to do the thinking. That's your task...that's why you're here. I am curious to see the results of that thinking and you should be curious too."
(In that last bit, she edges right up to 'the thinker/SVP,' issue, but doesn't go far enough, obviously...but I think the bit about being curious is rather is rather auspicious).
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Post by Inavalan on Nov 26, 2021 20:38:10 GMT
I found this really interesting. Although it's an 'in the dream/scientific' explanation of why free will is an illusion...(it is shy of the realization of Oneness/absence of separation), it's a really good example of pre-awakening, WIBIGO clarity. "Just because free will in an illusion doe not mean you are not allowed to use it as a thinking aid. If you've lived a good life so far by using your imagined free will, by all means, please keep on doing so. If it causes you cognitive dissonance to acknowledge a belief in something that doesn't exist, I suggest that you think of your life as a story which has not yet been told. You are equipped with a thinking apparatus that you use to collect information and to act upon what you have learned from this. The results of that thinking is determined--you have to do the thinking. That's your task...that's why you're here. I am curious to see the results of that thinking and you should be curious too." (In that last bit, she edges right up to 'the thinker/SVP,' issue, but doesn't go far enough, obviously...but I think the bit about being curious is rather is rather auspicious). Nah ... There is no objective physical reality, so all that rationalization is based on an incorrect assumption. It isn't a dream either in the way you and most people define it. It is your perception of a reality created by your subconscious in the framework of your own beliefs. And ... there is conscious free will. (surely that's my model). |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 26, 2021 23:29:28 GMT
I found this really interesting. Although it's an 'in the dream/scientific' explanation of why free will is an illusion...(it is shy of the realization of Oneness/absence of separation), it's a really good example of pre-awakening, WIBIGO clarity. "Just because free will in an illusion doe not mean you are not allowed to use it as a thinking aid. If you've lived a good life so far by using your imagined free will, by all means, please keep on doing so. If it causes you cognitive dissonance to acknowledge a belief in something that doesn't exist, I suggest that you think of your life as a story which has not yet been told. You are equipped with a thinking apparatus that you use to collect information and to act upon what you have learned from this. The results of that thinking is determined--you have to do the thinking. That's your task...that's why you're here. I am curious to see the results of that thinking and you should be curious too." (In that last bit, she edges right up to 'the thinker/SVP,' issue, but doesn't go far enough, obviously...but I think the bit about being curious is rather is rather auspicious). Nah ... There is no objective physical reality, so all that rationalization is based on an incorrect assumption. It isn't a dream either in the way you and most people define it. It is your perception of a reality created by your subconscious in the framework of your own beliefs. And ... there is conscious free will. (surely that's my model). In your estimation, how exactly do I define it? I'd be very curious to hear what you've gleaned through my use of the word dream, as I don't recall specifically offering a definition of what the term 'dream' is referencing/pointing to, lately. |
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Post by Inavalan on Nov 26, 2021 23:33:00 GMT
Nah ... There is no objective physical reality, so all that rationalization is based on an incorrect assumption. It isn't a dream either in the way you and most people define it. It is your perception of a reality created by your subconscious in the framework of your own beliefs. And ... there is conscious free will. (surely that's my model). In your estimation, how exactly do I define it? I'd be very curious to hear what you've gleaned through my use of the word dream, as I don't recall specifically offering a definition of what the term 'dream' is referencing/pointing to, lately. Pejoratively, dismissively, which indicates you understand neither dreaming nor awake states. |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 26, 2021 23:38:28 GMT
In your estimation, how exactly do I define it? I'd be very curious to hear what you've gleaned through my use of the word dream, as I don't recall specifically offering a definition of what the term 'dream' is referencing/pointing to, lately. Pejoratively, dismissively, which indicates you understand neither dreaming nor awake states. You've just demonstrated that you really do not know what I mean when I use the term 'dream' at all. It's not meant to dismiss or put down experience at all. It's a pointer to an absence and unfortunately, absent any reference at all for that absence, you won't be able to grasp the pointer. Trust me when I say, it's NOT a pejorative or dismissal of life experience...quite the opposite, actually! In seeing life as a story/dream/ephemeral arising in consciousness, life is exalted as nothing other than "God/godding." |
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Post by Inavalan on Nov 27, 2021 1:08:25 GMT
Pejoratively, dismissively, which indicates you understand neither dreaming nor awake states. You've just demonstrated that you really do not know what I mean when I use the term 'dream' at all. It's not meant to dismiss or put down experience at all. It's a pointer to an absence and unfortunately, absent any reference at all for that absence, you won't be able to grasp the pointer. Trust me when I say, it's NOT a pejorative or dismissal of life experience...quite the opposite, actually! In seeing life as a story/dream/ephemeral arising in consciousness, life is exalted as nothing other than "God/godding." I don't contest that you believe that you know the Truth. It is just that your conviction prevents you from seeing more clearly. By the way, knowledge about reality increases neither by sudden illumination, nor by accumulation, but by progressive unveiling of details. There is no "God/godding" either. That is another distortion, side-effect of vaccination, in this case religion. Religion cures distorted spiritual beliefs, as a leaky vaccine treats a fast mutating virus: it doesn't but creates more virulent mutations that ... This parallel goes quite far. |
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Post by Figgles on Nov 27, 2021 1:14:50 GMT
You've just demonstrated that you really do not know what I mean when I use the term 'dream' at all. It's not meant to dismiss or put down experience at all. It's a pointer to an absence and unfortunately, absent any reference at all for that absence, you won't be able to grasp the pointer. Trust me when I say, it's NOT a pejorative or dismissal of life experience...quite the opposite, actually! In seeing life as a story/dream/ephemeral arising in consciousness, life is exalted as nothing other than "God/godding." I don't contest that you believe that you know the Truth. It is just that your conviction prevents you from seeing more clearly. By the way, knowledge about reality increases neither by sudden illumination, nor by accumulation, but by progressive unveiling of details. There is no "God/godding" either. That is another distortion, side-effect of vaccination, in this case religion. Religion cures distorted spiritual beliefs, as a leaky vaccine treats a fast mutating virus: it doesn't but creates more virulent mutations that ... This parallel goes quite far. God/Godding is a pointer...has nothing at all to do with the "God" referenced in various religions. Once again, you are failing royally to grasp my meaning. If you're truly interested in trying to understand what I'm getting at, you'd do well first to let the anger dissipate before you engage me...it has a way of further obscuring clarity. My point was that far from denigrating/putting down life experience, SR/awakening, seeing it all as an ephemeral arising in consciousness, illuminates the inherent divinity (again, another pointer as concepts fail here) of all of it. |
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