Conscious awareness of mind's machinations

Becoming consciously aware as to mind's content really must be the first step in terms of "seeking for Truth."

If there's an absence of genuine interest in looking deeply and critically towards mind's most sacred of ideas, then the required sincerity is plain and simply not there.

Seeking that has sincere, genuine interest inherent to it, that includes and embraces the possibility of loss of that which presently provides comfort, is heading in the "right" direction...seeking that is devoid of that, is really nothing more than spinning the wheels of self-betterment, which is fine, but it's important to see the difference between the two.

A sincere interest towards Truth embraces Truth at all costs, even IF that means losing something that is experientially comforting. Anytime we have folks refusing to continue along with a convo where there views are being civilly, directly challenged, it's crystal clear that "fear" has risen up and if there ever actually was sincerity there, it is no longer in play. That moment of "cut and run and hide/shut down the convo," means ego/mind has won again.

It sounds then as though despite her seeing that no idea is true, she's adopted the belief that all that happens within her experience, is serving her in an ultimately, positive way..?

So that one idea, for her, remains "true" and she does not challenge it.

And really, if that belief/idea is abidingly and unwaveringly, at the forefront of mind, held to be the highest truth about life, then regardless of what happens, it will get framed within that belief system.

As far as beliefs go, in terms of the propensity of an idea to make for a better/worse dream, I'd say it's pretty darned good idea/belief to hold to...if you can!

That said, it is still a position "in mind/of mind," and as such, ultimately, is empty and devoid of Truth. But I guess for her, as a relatively held idea, she takes it and runs with it as far as it will take her.

Whereas for most who see through the entirety of the dream-scape, to see the emptiness, there are no ideas/beliefs "about the hows/whys" of life, that get held onto like that.

In terms of having a better dream, I don't think there's a better ontology/belief system, really...'cause regardless of what appears, it's accepted, allowed, embraced and even, loved/wanted by the experiential me character/person...all because they believe, that if it's appearing/happening, then it is for "my personal good/betterment." Regardless of what happens, mind immediately frames it within that belief that says "it's for my highest good."

And yes, as you allude to, in that there is no room at all for the impetus/desire to "create/control" outcomes, such as there is in the interest/practice of LOA/deliberate creation.

The distinction between an absence of Absolute knowing and "doubt," is not subtle at all. The former is inherent to SR...to seeing through all experiential content, the latter, is relative, but it's what gets the 'seeking for beyond' movement in motion.

The initial recognition that I may not be able to access what is "actually/fundamentally so" via mind, is the "doubt" being referenced. It applies to those still mired in the dream-scape. Not to realization itself. The absence of knowing that is inherent to realization does not equal doubt, wondering, the continuation of an answered question.



Yes.



A "finder" knows that some beliefs are outright delusions, illusions that must be seen through for freedom to be, while other's empty as they still may be of Truth/existence, they can still be said to be 'relatively true.'

The belief in an SVP is one such "belief" that must be seen through, not merely seen to be empty. There is NO SVP...it's only ever imagined. However, there does appear a me character, you characters, and so long as those are realized to be absent inherent existence in their own right, all good.

Some astute observations here Gopal. Spiritual forums reveal much about their participants via their engagement style. As you say, most who engage DO via their sharings, present their philosophy, experience and realizations as they engage in dialogue. It's rare to just come to a spiritual forum to challenge the ideas of others while staunchly witholding the meat of your own views/positions.

There's plenty of folks who balk at having their views directly challenged but even those folks convey their basic stance/ontology....what we don't see so much is someone who holds personal views tightly to their vest but on the other hand, pokes and prods at the views of others.





I didn't see Gopal express frustration....he really just expressed an observation. He didn't even express personal judgment about the fact that in all these years, you've refrained from directly sharing your views. He simply that he's observed that lack of expression in your posts.

The fact that you did not at all address his point speaks volumes. Folks often think if they just refuse to acknowledge a point has been made and a question has been asked related to that, that they remain free and clear in terms of relaying any information, but in actuality, that failure to offer an answer, that failure to once again share any information, is itself an answer.

It takes courage to engage openly on a public spiritual forum, to share one's innermost gleanings, insights and pointers to realizations, so I do get why sometimes folks withhold, but what's really odd is when there's an absence of courage to share in that regard but somehow there is the presence of confidence (arrogance) to, in the face of that failure to share, poke and prod at the views of others.

You approach everyone elses posts guns-a-blazing, Sharon, but when it comes to espousing your own views, nothing. Now, if we want to talk about "powerful tools for transformation," sitting with that, looking within with sincere and earnest interest, most certainly fits that bill.

It's more than fine on a spirituality forum supposedly dedicated to Truth to challenge the views of others, but that must balanced out with an equal confidence to also share your own views and hold them up so that those YOU challenge, can, if they deem fit, also challenge yours.

You're "playing it safe" Sharon, whilst also fulfilling your interest in poking and prodding at other viewpoints. That deserves some inquiry.