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Post by Figgles on Jun 8, 2023 21:11:02 GMT
Seriously, if that's what hits you when you run into one of my posts, that's a perfectly sane and honest response. That's the beauty of online forumns, it's just too damned easy to simply 'pass' on the posts/posters that one does not fancy. Now....the fact you come to a Nonduality forum prompts me to suggest that you might wanna look into that sense of my posts/challenges 'looking like noise,' as there might be a little more to that, lurking beneath the covers.  |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 10, 2023 3:06:57 GMT
Exactly...I couldn't agree more.
The drama starts to creep in the moment someone takes an impersonal challenge, personally, and then gets all pissy and starts running with that.
Strong challenge of another views on a nonduality forum, need not BE 'dramatic,' or create personal drama. Problems ensue when SVP's are still in play and rise up against challenge and/or try to run away/hide from challenge.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 10, 2023 3:14:01 GMT
You would likely be very surprised at how many people I hear from who gain insight and understanding (they say) from simply observing...reading along. It's often the dispassionate observer who has no stake in the game at all who sees most clearly the dynamics in play. Common comments reflect that I am most definitely NOT the only one seeing ego/mind try to hang on to sacred beliefs by deflecting challenge, running away from challenge, or getting pissy at the one who puts forth the challenge.
Kind of like what you've been doing...poking at me indirectly vs. standing up, coming to this forum and engaging me directly with your beef.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 26, 2023 23:04:34 GMT
Bingo! You've just described why my pointed questions/challenges on ST bother you so much. I remind you of your ex-wife. Unrelenting challenge in a wife is not a good thing at all....a sure way to make certain your marriage is gonna suck and your dude likely to bolt, in one way or another...however, a forum dedicated to the ferreting out of Truth is something all together different. A true interest in clarity, freedom, Truth will mean you relish challenge...even very, very pointed challenge. The pointier the better.   |
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Post by Figgles on Jun 29, 2023 18:47:52 GMT
Your post here JLY, is a perfect one for this thread; If you have a sincere interest towards clarity, look closely...the idea that my continued interest in the "I do know/I don't know" convo and in illuminating LOA/deliberate creation to have it's basis in delusion, only gets personal when judged to be so.
I DO point out places where Reefs, relatively speaking, as a person (as he posts/expresses on ST) is a hypocrite....outright lies...or engages in behaviors that speak to poor character, but for the most part, my interest in his/ZD's/yours & others post content over on ST, really is the continuation of a conversation that's been going on for years and one that is inherent really to ANY good Nonduality discussion/dharma combat/debate re: Truth.
The sacred ideas being held to by yourself, Reefs, ZD, SDP, a few others over there, are classic examples of the ways an SVP's fears manifest as the delusion of separation begins to lose some of it's hold.
A discussion about character...integrity....a pointing out of blatant mis-truths and lies IS relevant to conversations about Truth in that one who says he's interested in Truth....in seeing beyond mind...or even in seeing mind's machinations for what they are, demonstrates his sincerity/honesty/integrity towards that end, via his behaviors/actions.
One who will outright lie about whether or not he created a dubstep thread (particularly when he's gotta know, there's very likely gonna be at least someone who recalls that it happened) is plain and simply in no position to be ready for seeing through mind....for seeing Truths that lie beyond mind's machinations.
In that sense, we cannot divorce lying and failure to adhere to said ethics from an espoused/supposed intent towards clarity. One will lie about something as innocuous as creating a dubstep thread...liking dubstep, is surely not going to be a reliable forum source of any kind of truth, be it relative or Absolute.
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Post by Figgles on Jul 17, 2023 21:28:29 GMT
Dude! The sense of being embroiled in controversy, IS your 'trigger.' And when that is one's trigger, they will often read in a depth of controversy that is not even there....Andrew may be presenting somewhat of a different view re: the climate issue than your own, but he's most certainly doing it in a civil way that openly invites further conversation and alternate viewpoints. I say at the heart of the whole Covid debacle...the ease with which lockdowns and mandates were imposed upon and accepted by so many folks is that same trigger that you are demonstrating here; A fear/deep aversion to debate/argumentative discussion. AT this point, we need more of that, not less. I'd say that's something to look into for anyone who values mental/mind clarity; What's behind that strong aversion/fear of discussion of different views/opinions? What is it that makes it so distasteful that you immediately feel the need to shut it down? |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 1, 2023 22:47:04 GMT
An interest towards a particular direction, thing, thought, behavior, always is intrinsically tied up with a particular value....they truly are one and the same.
To "follow" or act towards an interest is to demonstrate a value.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 1, 2023 23:01:16 GMT
In terms of being clear and conscious as a human being, being aware of ALL values is extremely important. As you say, some values are extremely nuanced and subtle...they easily escape the attention of one who is not looking deep/closely enough.
On a sunny day, I can always find my pup lying in the warmest, sunniest area...he clearly values that feeling of heat. He doesn't need to consciously think to himself, "oh hell yeah...I value the warmth of the sun," for that to BE a value.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 14, 2024 6:48:23 GMT
 The "right thing to do" based upon what exactly? You're failing to see that "kind/unkind" is built into your idea there of right action/wrong action towards others. Why would it be "wrong" not to speak up? What could happen? its' obvious...you think it would be a detriment for one you are informing, not to receive your superb insight, right? Thus, you are trying to save the other from experiencing that detriment. That's pretty much what "kindness" is. Gotta say though, the bolded bit does add a rather selfish overlay....you will do what you deem to be the "kind/correct" thing, but you are only doing it so that YOU will ultimately benefit....damn, that is rather cold and calculative...but it IS honest. 
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Post by Figgles on Feb 19, 2024 19:32:31 GMT
Most definitely, and it's a prescription that most can easily pick up and so long as there is sincere interest there, apply. When my kids were very young, I talked them through temper tantrums by suggesting they step back out of the anger and their reasons for it, to 'look at' it....become the witness of it. I initially posed it as a sort of game/challenge...'hey, just wondering, is there any chance you can become the watcher of your anger and behavior instead of being immersed within it,'....within mere seconds my 4 yr. old daughter told me, 'when I look at my anger, I can't feel angry any more.' The "witness position" is really only ever "false" if/when the witnessing is itself objectified and thus, an objective/existent "witness/person" is imagined to be there. The position of simply "observing" is not "false/erroneous" at all if there is no "something/someone" erroneously imagined to be 'behind' the witnessing/observing. In the my kids, am quite sure, they did very much just shift from a sense of being the body/person acting out/feeling angry to then being an existent something that was observing. But still....took care of the damned temper tantrums!  |
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