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Post by Figgles on Sept 9, 2022 17:59:26 GMT
Particularly when it's an inaccurate, shittily painted picture.  I've actually been enjoying reading your challenges to SDP's ontology...it's about time someone did so. He's been sharing his layer cake ontology, complete with his ongoing vibe of frustration towards those he disagrees with, for years now, on what's supposedly a forum dedicated to Truth/Nonduality. |
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Post by Figgles on Oct 10, 2022 19:34:49 GMT
Some great points there Andrew. This bit made me chuckle a little. I'm currently reading a novel where one of the main characters asked his gf, "Do you know what the 1st thing is I do in the morning upon waking, before getting out of bed, is?" To which he replied, "I ask myself what I am worried about today, and then once something comes to mind, I'm fine to get up and start my day."  |
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Post by Figgles on Oct 10, 2022 19:44:08 GMT
It's a very good break-down of all the components of minding.
Important too to acknowledge that sometimes there is overlap. For example, wrapped up in the story of the industrious, hard-working squirrel are likely feelings of admiration, etc, which means personal judgments and values are also in play.
It's rare that beyond #1, that 2, 3 or 4 would not arise somewhat inter-tangled.
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Post by Figgles on Oct 13, 2022 19:39:21 GMT
So there is "psychological suffering" AND then something called "real suffering"?  So long as the couple who has lost their home/everything to a hurricane is presently, in a here/now, given moment, not in physical pain, isn't any other kind of pain they are experiencing "mental/psychologically" based? Even when it comes to physical pain, it's generally the mental overlay the person ascribes to it that drags it down into 'suffering.' |
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Post by Andrew on Oct 13, 2022 22:10:13 GMT
Some great points there Andrew. This bit made me chuckle a little. I'm currently reading a novel where one of the main characters asked his gf, "Do you know what the 1st thing is I do in the morning upon waking, before getting out of bed, is?" To which he replied, "I ask myself what I am worried about today, and then once something comes to mind, I'm fine to get up and start my day." |
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Post by Figgles on Oct 14, 2022 18:19:45 GMT
That is Sharon's modus operandi...has been for years now as she engages on ST. The out of the blue, sudden, retiring of her account usually coincides with a series of posts that directly challenge her point of view...she's very thinned skinned it seems...can dish it out real good but is one of the worst for being able to take it.
...And then each time she comes back to the forum, which she inevitably will once she cools off, she creates a new name....seemingly tries to fly under the radar as though she's a brand new forum member...never on her own divulges who she is...a practice that imo is very odd.... dishonest....there's more going on with all that BS than meets the eye for sure.
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Post by Figgles on Oct 24, 2022 18:26:47 GMT
Wow dude....really well put. Some very accurate observations and astute summation imo.
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Post by Figgles on Oct 26, 2022 5:18:45 GMT
From the transcendent vantage point, the distinction between the appearing/arising idea... (concept/construct of a person) vs. the appearing, so called, physical body, is unimportant...BOTH are empty, appearance only, having no inherent existence in it's own right, arising/appearing within/to abiding, unchanging awareness.
The distinction between the idea of a person and the appearing body, is only important in terms of 'in the dream' clarity....becoming clear as to mind content....(as per the thread title; Conscious awareness of mind's machinations).
Far too many on these forum conflate conscious awareness of mind with Nonduality/Awakening/SR.
SR means that mind's content is illuminated, but clarity as to mind's machinations does not necessarily equal SR/awake to the dream.
Waking up means the end of singling out certain facets of experience, certain perceivables, certain, specific, singular, unique appearances that are deemed as special due to the filter of personal values, as somehow 'other than' empty appearance only...Not Truth.
Both your conceptual idea of person AND the appearing body are facets of the dream. One may indeed be more "bejazzled" than the other...mind loves to gild the lily, but when it comes to seeing Truth as Truth and false as false, both must be clearly put in their place, as "appearance only."
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Post by Figgles on Oct 27, 2022 3:00:02 GMT
What does that mean...no one life....no one moment, ever repeats? Is that a realization? What would it mean for a moment or a 'one life' to repeat? I don't get it.  All sense of pattern depends upon memory/presently arising thought of a supposed "past" event(s) and present experience...usually combined with an idea of future events. |
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Post by Figgles on Oct 31, 2022 17:27:16 GMT
Some good (and important) points here as well as some astute observations/summations.
In terms of Nonduality, (SR/being awake) the distinctions between such facets of experience such as intention vs. an overt/obvious thought really don't matter. It's all equally minding...a movement of mind....experiential content...perceivables....appearance only.
For SR to be, The entirety of anything at all that arises in/as experience, must be realized as inherently empty of it's own existence, thus, arising dependent upon that which is always abiding, regardless of experiential content.
The ability to distinguish between various contents of mind IS important in terms of the dream...in terms of the clarity that = JM's "human adulthood," being consciously aware as to 'what in blazes is going on,' thus, in terms of waking up to the consensus trance, that ability to make those distinctions, IS important.
It is fair to say that clarity as to mind's content dovetails with waking up/SR in the sense that in seeing through the delusion of separation, it also becomes clear where assumptions/surmising have been in play, and where certain thoughts/ideas about reality have been completely and utterly false, but the realizational aspect of those seeings is always primary to the informing of mind components/clarity of mind component.
On that note, the way ZD for one, places such huge emphasis upon a relatively quiet mind, body-knowing vs. intellectual knowing, attending to the actual, in the same breath as he speaks about SR/wakefulness tells me he's conflating SR with waking up in the dream...being conscious and aware of mind's machinations.
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