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Post by muttley on Oct 7, 2019 9:23:32 GMT
So, non-duality, (seeing that there is no separation, no SVP, no separate objective world 'out there') is 'not relevant to people in today's world'? Oh my. I don't even know where to start with that one. It kinda takes the (three layer) cake. Not thinking it's relevant implies he sees nondual teachings as a kind of philosophy or religion separate from the 'actuality' of day to day life. Perhaps it explains much. I've never encountered it in real life but I guess some folks can get burned getting into nonduality by falling into the concepts. It makes sense that it can be just like any other religion that way. Andy's described his experience with "The Power of Now" in the past: it helped him at first, but eventually it blew-up into unhappy split-mind talk. To the extent that he actually sees something like that happening to others, it seems to me that his compassionate interest in calling out "non-dual B.S." is genuine. To the extent that he's psychologically projecting, it's sour grapes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 12:54:48 GMT
Not thinking it's relevant implies he sees nondual teachings as a kind of philosophy or religion separate from the 'actuality' of day to day life. Perhaps it explains much. I've never encountered it in real life but I guess some folks can get burned getting into nonduality by falling into the concepts. It makes sense that it can be just like any other religion that way. Andy's described his experience with "The Power of Now" in the past: it helped him at first, but eventually it blew-up into unhappy split-mind talk. To the extent that he actually sees something like that happening to others, it seems to me that his compassionate interest in calling out "non-dual B.S." is genuine. To the extent that he's psychologically projecting, it's sour grapes. What you are saying sounds to me like a reflection of your own failings and misunderstandings projected onto someone else while you hide behind the cloak of conceptual non-duality pretending it's somehow the truth if you manage to interpret it properly. Such is your desperation that you want to avoid context completely. This is after all how you justify the words of Nisargadatta right? It's the safest position of all, putting yourself beyond having to justify or explain anything.
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Post by muttley on Oct 7, 2019 17:38:07 GMT
I've never encountered it in real life but I guess some folks can get burned getting into nonduality by falling into the concepts. It makes sense that it can be just like any other religion that way. Andy's described his experience with "The Power of Now" in the past: it helped him at first, but eventually it blew-up into unhappy split-mind talk. To the extent that he actually sees something like that happening to others, it seems to me that his compassionate interest in calling out "non-dual B.S." is genuine. To the extent that he's psychologically projecting, it's sour grapes. What you are saying sounds to me like a reflection of your own failings and misunderstandings projected onto someone else while you hide behind the cloak of conceptual non-duality pretending it's somehow the truth if you manage to interpret it properly. Such is your desperation that you want to avoid context completely. This is after all how you justify the words of Nisargadatta right? It's the safest position of all, putting yourself beyond having to justify or explain anything. No, I'm doing the exact opposite of that. The context of what Foster wrote was a psychological projection from the get-go. As far as Niz is concerned, y ou're the one who perceives contradiction in what he said. Put up your quotes if you want, and I'll give you the existential context that reveals the absence of contradiction, on a case by case basis. It's only by ignoring context that you come to the conclusion that there was contradiction to begin with. As far as the rest of what you've written - both to me and all the rest in the past few days: what happened to your self-respect? Try to get present to the tone of what you're writing on this forum and the impetus to generate it. Why are you coming back here for what you have to know will inevitably be another round of ridicule? Try to get present to how you keep ping-ponging about ego between how it has to be " destroyed" on one extreme to how it is " ego that gets enlightened" on the other.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 17:45:06 GMT
What you are saying sounds to me like a reflection of your own failings and misunderstandings projected onto someone else while you hide behind the cloak of conceptual non-duality pretending it's somehow the truth if you manage to interpret it properly. Such is your desperation that you want to avoid context completely. This is after all how you justify the words of Nisargadatta right? It's the safest position of all, putting yourself beyond having to justify or explain anything. No, I'm doing the exact opposite of that. You're the one who perceives contradiction in what Niz said. Put up your quotes if you want, and I'll give you the existential context that reveals the absence of contradiction, on a case by case basis. It's only by ignoring context that you come to the conclusion that there was contradiction to begin with. As far as the rest of what you've written - both to me and all the rest in the past few days: what happened to your self-respect? Try to get present to the tone of what you're writing on this forum and the impetus to generate it. Why are you coming back here for what you have to know will be inevitably be another round of ridicule? Try to get present to how you keep ping-ponging about ego between how it has to be " destroyed" on one extreme to how it is " ego that gets enlightened" on the other. Yeah I'll do that if you quit your low life comments. What actually motivates you to ask someone to ignore me in a public forum which is actually intended for me to read. What kind of twisted mind do you have. Challenge me, disagree with me but save that kind of pathetic remark. I can't get the bad taste out of my mouth. Creep!
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Post by muttley on Oct 7, 2019 17:58:28 GMT
No, I'm doing the exact opposite of that. You're the one who perceives contradiction in what Niz said. Put up your quotes if you want, and I'll give you the existential context that reveals the absence of contradiction, on a case by case basis. It's only by ignoring context that you come to the conclusion that there was contradiction to begin with. As far as the rest of what you've written - both to me and all the rest in the past few days: what happened to your self-respect? Try to get present to the tone of what you're writing on this forum and the impetus to generate it. Why are you coming back here for what you have to know will be inevitably be another round of ridicule? Try to get present to how you keep ping-ponging about ego between how it has to be " destroyed" on one extreme to how it is " ego that gets enlightened" on the other. Yeah I'll do that if you quit your low life comments. What actually motivates you to ask someone to ignore me in a public forum which is actually intended for me to read. What kind of twisted mind do you have. Challenge me, disagree with me but save that kind of pathetic remark. I can't get the bad taste out of my mouth. Creep! Well, if you'd simply get present to the vile, overtly and deliberately offensive nature of what you're writing you'd get an idea of why I advised gopal to ignore you. Read this: it's what the owner of the ST forum suggests, and I was simply reminding him of that. I choose not to ignore it here on the unmoderated forum because, in my opinion, you're completely out of control, and you need this sort of energetic exchange to burn off your rage, and I find your constant abuse of your conversants to be unacceptable. You've lectured me multiple times about my supposed reactivity, but try to get present to how you've literally devolved your content at this point to gutter insults.
As far as calling me a " gossipmonger" is concerned: it's only gossip if it's written about you in private. Can you honestly say you haven't written anything about me in private over the last month? I can truthfully make that claim about you. The only PM's I've written where your name came up since well over three years now were between myself and Reefs in the context of his warnings to me about our dialog on ST. I doubt you can make a similar claim with any truth to it.
You won't really post those Niz quotes, and we both know why: your self-doubt.
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Post by Figgles on Oct 7, 2019 18:07:02 GMT
What you are saying sounds to me like a reflection of your own failings and misunderstandings projected onto someone else while you hide behind the cloak of conceptual non-duality pretending it's somehow the truth if you manage to interpret it properly. Such is your desperation that you want to avoid context completely. This is after all how you justify the words of Nisargadatta right? It's the safest position of all, putting yourself beyond having to justify or explain anything. No, I'm doing the exact opposite of that. The context of what Foster wrote was a psychological projection from the get-go. As far as Niz is concerned, y ou're the one who perceives contradiction in what he said. Put up your quotes if you want, and I'll give you the existential context that reveals the absence of contradiction, on a case by case basis. It's only by ignoring context that you come to the conclusion that there was contradiction to begin with. As far as the rest of what you've written - both to me and all the rest in the past few days: what happened to your self-respect? Try to get present to the tone of what you're writing on this forum and the impetus to generate it. Why are you coming back here for what you have to know will inevitably be another round of ridicule? Try to get present to how you keep ping-ponging about ego between how it has to be " destroyed" on one extreme to how it is " ego that gets enlightened" on the other. I hope will. I would very much enjoy reading that.
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Post by muttley on Oct 7, 2019 18:15:33 GMT
No, I'm doing the exact opposite of that. The context of what Foster wrote was a psychological projection from the get-go. As far as Niz is concerned, y ou're the one who perceives contradiction in what he said. Put up your quotes if you want, and I'll give you the existential context that reveals the absence of contradiction, on a case by case basis. It's only by ignoring context that you come to the conclusion that there was contradiction to begin with. As far as the rest of what you've written - both to me and all the rest in the past few days: what happened to your self-respect? Try to get present to the tone of what you're writing on this forum and the impetus to generate it. Why are you coming back here for what you have to know will inevitably be another round of ridicule? Try to get present to how you keep ping-ponging about ego between how it has to be " destroyed" on one extreme to how it is " ego that gets enlightened" on the other. I hope will. I would very much enjoy reading that. Thanks, and hey listen .. I hope that at some point, in direct contradiction to what you expressed here, you might start to notice how it's actually quite possible to have civil and dispassionate debate free of attachment to winning it and ad-hominem that can be, despite that, very interesting to read. In fact, it happens quite a bit. I've done it at various times with E', ZD, Reefs and several others. It's far less voluminous than the other stuff, precisely because of the nature of the dialog.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 18:17:15 GMT
Can you honestly say you haven't written anything about me in private over the last month? OMG! What a revelation. I never write private messages to anyone. Lol.
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Post by muttley on Oct 7, 2019 18:21:32 GMT
Can you honestly say you haven't written anything about me in private over the last month? OMG! What a revelation. I never write private messages to anyone. Lol. Yeah, sorry, don't beleive ya'. Just so you know, I didn't write anything to Reefs in that private dialog that you haven't read in public. The bottome line of it was that, eventually, you'll go off on an abusive tangent so extreme that you'll get banned from ST. It's inevitable. You can't help yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 18:21:39 GMT
I hope will. I would very much enjoy reading that. Thanks, and hey listen .. I hope that at some point, in direct contradiction to what you expressed here, you might start to notice how it's actually quite possible to have civil and dispassionate debate free of attachment to winning it and ad-hominem that can be, despite that, very interesting to read. In fact, it happens quite a bit. I've done it at various times with E', ZD, Reefs and several others. It's far less voluminous than the other stuff, precisely because of the nature of the dialog. Oh get outta here you hypocrite. Who are you trying to kid. Do you think you're immune when you're wearing your Passive Aggressive cloaking device?
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