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Post by Figgles on Dec 10, 2019 17:23:22 GMT
There are no entities. That would mean separation. There is the illusion of entities and personhood. Meaning as long as the illusion is believed to be real, there will be suffering. If the illusory entities never suffered there would be no impetus to transcend them. If entities are actually 'illusory' then it's not so that 'entities actually suffer.' Again, it just looks that way. The experience of an entity who suffers is compelling indeed. However, that does not make for an actual entity who suffers. Entities are imagined. An entity who is Suffering as an experience though, is 'real' enough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 17:52:05 GMT
There is the illusion of entities and personhood. Meaning as long as the illusion is believed to be real, there will be suffering. If the illusory entities never suffered there would be no impetus to transcend them. If entities are actually 'illusory' then it's not so that 'entities actually suffer.' Again, it just looks that way. The experience of an entity who suffers is compelling indeed. However, that does not make for an actual entity who suffers. Entities are imagined. An entity who is Suffering as an experience though, is 'real' enough. If you stay as the Self, because you are the Self, then the experience of an entity who suffers doesn't actually exist. Therefore experience or whatever arises in Awareness, loses it's ability to compel You, which is formless, to take any form or shape of an entity that suffers.
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Post by Enigma on Dec 10, 2019 23:17:04 GMT
Correct! Maybe what we actually have on the forum is a bunch of mystics who just think they're Self Realized.
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Post by Enigma on Dec 10, 2019 23:23:33 GMT
There are no entities. That would mean separation. There is the illusion of entities and personhood. Meaning as long as the illusion is believed to be real, there will be suffering. If the illusory entities never suffered there would be no impetus to transcend them.But of course if there were no suffering, there would be no need to transcend anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 23:52:41 GMT
There is the illusion of entities and personhood. Meaning as long as the illusion is believed to be real, there will be suffering. If the illusory entities never suffered there would be no impetus to transcend them.But of course if there were no suffering, there would be no need to transcend anything. That's why no one ever speaks about transcending Consciousness.
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Post by Figgles on Dec 10, 2019 23:58:39 GMT
If entities are actually 'illusory' then it's not so that 'entities actually suffer.' Again, it just looks that way. The experience of an entity who suffers is compelling indeed. However, that does not make for an actual entity who suffers. Entities are imagined. An entity who is Suffering as an experience though, is 'real' enough. If you stay as the Self, because you are the Self, then the experience of an entity who suffers doesn't actually exist. Therefore experience or whatever arises in Awareness, loses it's ability to compel You, which is formless, to take any form or shape of an entity that suffers.Does that mean that experience does at times have the ability to compel you to take form/shape of an entity that suffers?
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Post by Figgles on Dec 11, 2019 0:26:07 GMT
Correct! Maybe what we actually have on the forum is a bunch of mystics who just think they're Self Realized. Kinda looks like it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 0:32:26 GMT
If you stay as the Self, because you are the Self, then the experience of an entity who suffers doesn't actually exist. Therefore experience or whatever arises in Awareness, loses it's ability to compel You, which is formless, to take any form or shape of an entity that suffers.Does that mean that experience does at times have the ability to compel you to take form/shape of an entity that suffers? The power is always yours, but that doesn't mean identity filled perceptions won't arise and tempt you to come out and play.
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Post by someNothing on Dec 11, 2019 0:56:51 GMT
Correct! Maybe what we actually have on the forum is a bunch of mystics who just think they're Self Realized. This idea has been dawning on me more and more recently. It seems to require a pretty decent amount of changing the meaning of words, too, which I can appreciate to a certain degree. But, it's also quite easy to say, "Yeah, that's pretty much the same thing as I mean by "....", but I tend to see it as "...." or whatever. Onward through the mystical fog.
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Post by someNothing on Dec 11, 2019 1:01:28 GMT
If there were no entities to suffer the illusion of personhood, the intelligence would never wake up from it's dream...which is the reason for being here. Pretty cool flick to check out if inclined. www.imdb.com/title/tt1268204/?ref_=ttawd_awd_tt
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