Enigma
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Adya
Nov 18, 2019 16:50:37 GMT
Post by Enigma on Nov 18, 2019 16:50:37 GMT
Where there is an absence of Peace, then there is pain. You have forgotten the definition of my Peace? When there is an ease, there is Peace. Peace is absence of suffering. No one needs a definition of peace. I agree that it's not useful to describe Peace as the absence of suffering. It's only slightly more descriptive than 'feeling peaceful'.
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Adya
Nov 18, 2019 16:51:12 GMT
Post by Figgles on Nov 18, 2019 16:51:12 GMT
You wouldn't call pain an absence of peace would you? So why call peace an absence of suffering? You feel pain and you feel peace. 'Peace as an absence of suffering' can imply that the conditions that produce suffering are no longer present, and that's not what is meant. Rather 'Peace is an absence of the one who suffers' indicates no conditions are required to be present for Peace to be present. This makes Peace unconditional. Likewise, Love is the absence of the one who would love or be loved, and is not the presence of those conditions. Therefore Love is also unconditional. Nice.
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Enigma
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Adya
Nov 18, 2019 16:59:17 GMT
Post by Enigma on Nov 18, 2019 16:59:17 GMT
I don't have any definition too. But I am trying to explain you what I consider as Peace. My Peace is absence of suffering. But your Peace includes everything which is not my Peace. Tell me how many people you have met who are in peace 24 hours a day and who never show irritation or anger. It's usually just 23 hours. The last hour is the festival 'red hour'.
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Adya
Nov 18, 2019 17:03:35 GMT
Post by Figgles on Nov 18, 2019 17:03:35 GMT
Tell me how many people you have met who are in peace 24 hours a day and who never show irritation or anger. It's usually just 23 hours. The last hour is the festival 'red hour'.
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Enigma
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Nov 18, 2019 17:11:31 GMT
Post by Enigma on Nov 18, 2019 17:11:31 GMT
'Peace as an absence of suffering' can imply that the conditions that produce suffering are no longer present, and that's not what is meant. Rather 'Peace is an absence of the one who suffers' indicates no conditions are required to be present for Peace to be present. This makes Peace unconditional. Likewise, Love is the absence of the one who would love or be loved, and is not the presence of those conditions. Therefore Love is also unconditional. I don't like the peace as absence idea, but the way you have qualified it here as the absence of the one who suffers, gets my approval. I understand your issue with it as Gopal has been putting a fine point on it. 'Peace is an absence' only means to point out that it is not dependent upon peaceful conditions being present.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 18, 2019 22:22:36 GMT
What are you talking about. I said you don't need to have a definition of peace to live in peace. You don't need to talk about it. What is your answer to that? Why don't you reply to my actual comments instead of just writing anything you feel like? No you don't. BUT...you ARE talking about it. If we only talked about what we needed to talk about, we wouldn't be talking at all.
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Nov 19, 2019 4:27:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 4:27:41 GMT
I don't have any definition too. But I am trying to explain you what I consider as Peace. My Peace is absence of suffering. But your Peace includes everything which is not my Peace. Tell me how many people you have met who are in peace 24 hours a day and who never show irritation or anger. Two. They may get irritated but never seen them getting angry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 4:46:02 GMT
Tell me how many people you have met who are in peace 24 hours a day and who never show irritation or anger. Two. They may get irritated but never seen them getting angry. So irritable is okay, but anger isn't? Do you think Nisargadatta was always peaceful?
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Nov 19, 2019 10:08:58 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 10:08:58 GMT
You wouldn't call pain an absence of peace would you? So why call peace an absence of suffering? You feel pain and you feel peace. 'Peace as an absence of suffering' can imply that the conditions that produce suffering are no longer present, and that's not what is meant. Rather 'Peace is an absence of the one who suffers' indicates no conditions are required to be present for Peace to be present. This makes Peace unconditional. Likewise, Love is the absence of the one who would love or be loved, and is not the presence of those conditions. Therefore Love is also unconditional. Then 'Peace is an absence of the one who suffers' has to remove the conditions that produce suffering.
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Nov 19, 2019 10:09:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 10:09:54 GMT
Where there is an absence of Peace, then there is pain. You have forgotten the definition of my Peace? When there is an ease, there is Peace. Peace is absence of suffering. Your definition says nothing, as any peace would be the absence of suffering, by definition. It's like saying freedom is the absence of imprisonment. Peace is what remains when all conditions are absent. It implies that Peace is foundational to your Being. Before there is conditional peace and conditional suffering and conditional love, there is what you are. What you are is unconditional. I am consciousness Or a perceiver, that's fundamental.
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