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Nov 18, 2019 5:45:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 5:45:55 GMT
So your Peace includes suffering? Your Peace is not absence of suffering? How does your comment address what I just said? If your Peace includes suffering, then that's not what we call Peace. Your Peace is unique then. Your Peace includes anger, blame and everything else. I would like to know what is the one thing which your Peace precludes?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 5:50:10 GMT
How does your comment address what I just said? If your Peace includes suffering, then that's not what we call Peace. Your Peace is unique then. Your Peace includes anger, blame and everything else. I would like to know what is the one thing which your Peace precludes? What are you talking about. I said you don't need to have a definition of peace to live in peace. You don't need to talk about it. What is your answer to that? Why don't you reply to my actual comments instead of just writing anything you feel like?
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Nov 18, 2019 6:03:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 6:03:14 GMT
If your Peace includes suffering, then that's not what we call Peace. Your Peace is unique then. Your Peace includes anger, blame and everything else. I would like to know what is the one thing which your Peace precludes? What are you talking about. I said you don't need to have a definition of peace to live in peace. You don't need to talk about it. What is your answer to that? Why don't you reply to my actual comments instead of just writing anything you feel like? I don't have any definition too. But I am trying to explain you what I consider as Peace. My Peace is absence of suffering. But your Peace includes everything which is not my Peace.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 6:07:00 GMT
What are you talking about. I said you don't need to have a definition of peace to live in peace. You don't need to talk about it. What is your answer to that? Why don't you reply to my actual comments instead of just writing anything you feel like? I don't have any definition too. But I am trying to explain you what I consider as Peace. My Peace is absence of suffering. But your Peace includes everything which is not my Peace. Tell me how many people you have met who are in peace 24 hours a day and who never show irritation or anger.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:18:57 GMT
Post by Enigma on Nov 18, 2019 16:18:57 GMT
When I feel pain in my heart, the situation I tend to avoid is what I call suffering. You wouldn't call pain an absence of peace would you? So why call peace an absence of suffering? You feel pain and you feel peace. 'Peace as an absence of suffering' can imply that the conditions that produce suffering are no longer present, and that's not what is meant. Rather 'Peace is an absence of the one who suffers' indicates no conditions are required to be present for Peace to be present. This makes Peace unconditional. Likewise, Love is the absence of the one who would love or be loved, and is not the presence of those conditions. Therefore Love is also unconditional.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 18, 2019 16:35:47 GMT
You wouldn't call pain an absence of peace would you? So why call peace an absence of suffering? You feel pain and you feel peace. Where there is an absence of Peace, then there is pain. You have forgotten the definition of my Peace? When there is an ease, there is Peace. Peace is absence of suffering. Your definition says nothing, as any peace would be the absence of suffering, by definition. It's like saying freedom is the absence of imprisonment. Peace is what remains when all conditions are absent. It implies that Peace is foundational to your Being. Before there is conditional peace and conditional suffering and conditional love, there is what you are. What you are is unconditional.
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Post by Enigma on Nov 18, 2019 16:39:01 GMT
Hmmm....okay....that reads as a tad vague. I define suffering as an immediate sense/thought/feeling that what's presently happening, is intolerable. It's a mental overlay of deep, fundamental judgement, regarding 'this.' Does that align with your definition? Yes, that perfectly align with my definition. So 'intolerable' is not dependent so much on the happening as on the judgement? Does that still align with your definition?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 16:47:00 GMT
You wouldn't call pain an absence of peace would you? So why call peace an absence of suffering? You feel pain and you feel peace. 'Peace as an absence of suffering' can imply that the conditions that produce suffering are no longer present, and that's not what is meant. Rather 'Peace is an absence of the one who suffers' indicates no conditions are required to be present for Peace to be present. This makes Peace unconditional. Likewise, Love is the absence of the one who would love or be loved, and is not the presence of those conditions. Therefore Love is also unconditional. I don't like the peace as absence idea, but the way you have qualified it here as the absence of the one who suffers, gets my approval.
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Adya
Nov 18, 2019 16:49:08 GMT
Post by Figgles on Nov 18, 2019 16:49:08 GMT
We have to bring in words as to what I consider as Peace. I consider the absence of suffering is Peace. Do you consider that? No I don't. You can live in peace without having a definition of it or even ever talking about it. Sure. But "IF" you're going to talk about....in particular argue about it, as you are doing....a definition if required.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:50:09 GMT
Post by Figgles on Nov 18, 2019 16:50:09 GMT
If your Peace includes suffering, then that's not what we call Peace. Your Peace is unique then. Your Peace includes anger, blame and everything else. I would like to know what is the one thing which your Peace precludes? What are you talking about. I said you don't need to have a definition of peace to live in peace. You don't need to talk about it. What is your answer to that? Why don't you reply to my actual comments instead of just writing anything you feel like? No you don't. BUT...you ARE talking about it.
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