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Nov 19, 2019 10:12:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 10:12:33 GMT
Yes, that perfectly align with my definition. So 'intolerable' is not dependent so much on the happening as on the judgement? Does that still align with your definition? Intolerable or tolerable is in the feeling you encounter. Judgement is may be the way it gets expresses.
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Nov 19, 2019 10:13:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 10:13:48 GMT
'Peace as an absence of suffering' can imply that the conditions that produce suffering are no longer present, and that's not what is meant. Rather 'Peace is an absence of the one who suffers' indicates no conditions are required to be present for Peace to be present. This makes Peace unconditional. Likewise, Love is the absence of the one who would love or be loved, and is not the presence of those conditions. Therefore Love is also unconditional. I don't like the peace as absence idea, but the way you have qualified it here as the absence of the one who suffers, gets my approval. The absence of the one who suffer has to remove the condition that would cause him to suffer.
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Nov 19, 2019 10:14:34 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 10:14:34 GMT
No one needs a definition of peace. I agree that it's not useful to describe Peace as the absence of suffering. It's only slightly more descriptive than 'feeling peaceful'. There you go against satch.
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Nov 19, 2019 13:52:33 GMT
Post by Enigma on Nov 19, 2019 13:52:33 GMT
'Peace as an absence of suffering' can imply that the conditions that produce suffering are no longer present, and that's not what is meant. Rather 'Peace is an absence of the one who suffers' indicates no conditions are required to be present for Peace to be present. This makes Peace unconditional. Likewise, Love is the absence of the one who would love or be loved, and is not the presence of those conditions. Therefore Love is also unconditional. Then 'Peace is an absence of the one who suffers' has to remove the conditions that produce suffering. It removes the sufferer. Not the same thing.
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Nov 19, 2019 13:56:39 GMT
Post by Enigma on Nov 19, 2019 13:56:39 GMT
Your definition says nothing, as any peace would be the absence of suffering, by definition. It's like saying freedom is the absence of imprisonment. Peace is what remains when all conditions are absent. It implies that Peace is foundational to your Being. Before there is conditional peace and conditional suffering and conditional love, there is what you are. What you are is unconditional. I am consciousness Or a perceiver, that's fundamental. You mean one or the other?
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Nov 19, 2019 14:05:08 GMT
Post by Enigma on Nov 19, 2019 14:05:08 GMT
So 'intolerable' is not dependent so much on the happening as on the judgement? Does that still align with your definition? Intolerable or tolerable is in the feeling you encounter. Judgement is may be the way it gets expresses. Intolerable isn't a feeling. Whatever feeling you express when the judgment is 'intolerable', would be the expression. None of that relates to my question.
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Nov 19, 2019 14:14:28 GMT
Post by Enigma on Nov 19, 2019 14:14:28 GMT
I agree that it's not useful to describe Peace as the absence of suffering. It's only slightly more descriptive than 'feeling peaceful'. There you go against satch. Well, there's a first time for everything. Serially, what do you mean?
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Nov 20, 2019 4:07:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 4:07:30 GMT
Then 'Peace is an absence of the one who suffers' has to remove the conditions that produce suffering. It removes the sufferer. Not the same thing. I know, but I mean what I meant.
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Nov 20, 2019 4:07:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 4:07:54 GMT
I am consciousness Or a perceiver, that's fundamental. You mean one or the other? Consciousness is the perceiver.
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Nov 20, 2019 4:08:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 4:08:46 GMT
There you go against satch. Well, there's a first time for everything. Serially, what do you mean? He says Peace is feeling peaceful but you don't agree there. This is what I meant.
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