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Jan 18, 2020 20:33:50 GMT
Post by Figgles on Jan 18, 2020 20:33:50 GMT
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Jan 22, 2020 3:27:02 GMT
Post by Figgles on Jan 22, 2020 3:27:02 GMT
Eh-men. (Canadian version! )
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Jan 22, 2020 6:00:23 GMT
Post by Enigma on Jan 22, 2020 6:00:23 GMT
Eh-men. (Canadian version! )
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Jan 28, 2020 20:44:46 GMT
Post by Figgles on Jan 28, 2020 20:44:46 GMT
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Feb 5, 2020 2:24:02 GMT
Post by Figgles on Feb 5, 2020 2:24:02 GMT
"Nobody suffers in a play, unless one identifies himself with it. Don't identity yourself with the world and you will not suffer." Niz
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 3:14:53 GMT
"Nobody suffers in a play, unless one identifies himself with it. Don't identity yourself with the world and you will not suffer." Niz This is a perfect example of how Nisargadatta's words can be so damaging to the immature seeker. Whether he said it elsewhere or not, the real teaching here is that by not identifying with the world you instead go inwards to silence, to the source, to peace, and discover the unchanging reality. Unfortunately these words can be taken another way which is to be indifferent to the world, to try and mentally disassociate yourself from the world and without practice that would just be mental dissociation and alienation. That would be the wrong teaching. Vedanta is clear. You do not reject the world which is the projecting power of Maya. What you must do is go inwards to break through the veiling power of Maya which prevents you from knowing Brahman, the unchanging reality.
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Feb 5, 2020 19:39:33 GMT
Post by Enigma on Feb 5, 2020 19:39:33 GMT
"Nobody suffers in a play, unless one identifies himself with it. Don't identity yourself with the world and you will not suffer." Niz This is a perfect example of how Nisargadatta's words can be so damaging to the immature seeker. Whether he said it elsewhere or not, the real teaching here is that by not identifying with the world you instead go inwards to silence, to the source, to peace, and discover the unchanging reality. Unfortunately these words can be taken another way which is to be indifferent to the world, to try and mentally disassociate yourself from the world and without practice that would just be mental dissociation and alienation. That would be the wrong teaching. Vedanta is clear. You do not reject the world which is the projecting power of Maya. What you must do is go inwards to break through the veiling power of Maya which prevents you from knowing Brahman, the unchanging reality. You don't reject the play you're acting in. You take time from the rest of your life to act out in front of thousands of peeps because you love doing it. What he's pointing to is the need to properly identify yourself as the actor and not the role.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:03:26 GMT
Post by Figgles on Feb 5, 2020 21:03:26 GMT
This is a perfect example of how Nisargadatta's words can be so damaging to the immature seeker. Whether he said it elsewhere or not, the real teaching here is that by not identifying with the world you instead go inwards to silence, to the source, to peace, and discover the unchanging reality. Unfortunately these words can be taken another way which is to be indifferent to the world, to try and mentally disassociate yourself from the world and without practice that would just be mental dissociation and alienation. That would be the wrong teaching. Vedanta is clear. You do not reject the world which is the projecting power of Maya. What you must do is go inwards to break through the veiling power of Maya which prevents you from knowing Brahman, the unchanging reality. You don't reject the play you're acting in. You take time from the rest of your life to act out in front of thousands of peeps because you love doing it. What he's pointing to is the need to properly identify yourself as the actor and not the role. Yes. perfectly put.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:18:06 GMT
Post by Figgles on Feb 5, 2020 21:18:06 GMT
"Nobody suffers in a play, unless one identifies himself with it. Don't identity yourself with the world and you will not suffer." Niz This is a perfect example of how Nisargadatta's words can be so damaging to the immature seeker. Whether he said it elsewhere or not, the real teaching here is that by not identifying with the world you instead go inwards to silence, to the source, to peace, and discover the unchanging reality. Unfortunately these words can be taken another way which is to be indifferent to the world, to try and mentally disassociate yourself from the world and without practice that would just be mental dissociation and alienation. That would be the wrong teaching. Vedanta is clear. You do not reject the world which is the projecting power of Maya. What you must do is go inwards to break through the veiling power of Maya which prevents you from knowing Brahman, the unchanging reality. One does not simply choose to 'stop identifying' with the world....there is much more to 'identification' with the phenomenal, than just a decision to not do it. The cessation of identification requires a realization...a seeing through...the one that illuminates the entire phenomenal world as appearance only. Only then does identification end. It seems like perhaps you are still not completely grasping what the term 'identification' means in these conversations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 1:36:53 GMT
This is a perfect example of how Nisargadatta's words can be so damaging to the immature seeker. Whether he said it elsewhere or not, the real teaching here is that by not identifying with the world you instead go inwards to silence, to the source, to peace, and discover the unchanging reality. Unfortunately these words can be taken another way which is to be indifferent to the world, to try and mentally disassociate yourself from the world and without practice that would just be mental dissociation and alienation. That would be the wrong teaching. Vedanta is clear. You do not reject the world which is the projecting power of Maya. What you must do is go inwards to break through the veiling power of Maya which prevents you from knowing Brahman, the unchanging reality. One does not simply choose to 'stop identifying' with the world....there is much more to 'identification' with the phenomenal, than just a decision to not do it. The cessation of identification requires a realization...a seeing through...the one that illuminates the entire phenomenal world as appearance only. Only then does identification end. It seems like perhaps you are still not completely grasping what the term 'identification' means in these conversations. Yes and that realization can only come about by going back to the source, by practicing meditation. The way to stop identifying with the world is instead to identify with awareness. That will take care of it. Everything else is just mental concepts about identification.
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