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Feb 6, 2020 2:07:21 GMT
Post by Figgles on Feb 6, 2020 2:07:21 GMT
One does not simply choose to 'stop identifying' with the world....there is much more to 'identification' with the phenomenal, than just a decision to not do it. The cessation of identification requires a realization...a seeing through...the one that illuminates the entire phenomenal world as appearance only. Only then does identification end. It seems like perhaps you are still not completely grasping what the term 'identification' means in these conversations. Yes and that realization can only come about by going back to the source, by practicing meditation. The way to stop identifying with the world is instead to identify with awareness. That will take care of it. Everything else is just mental concepts about identification. That's just not so. Do you deny that SR has occureed in those who have not meditated? And no, identification with the world is NOT replaced with 'identification' with awareness. That would make it a 'thing/concept' and it's not. Identification ends, period.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 4:40:51 GMT
Yes and that realization can only come about by going back to the source, by practicing meditation. The way to stop identifying with the world is instead to identify with awareness. That will take care of it. Everything else is just mental concepts about identification. That's just not so. Do you deny that SR has occureed in those who have not meditated? And no, identification with the world is NOT replaced with 'identification' with awareness. That would make it a 'thing/concept' and it's not. Identification ends, period. You know I'm never going to agree with you about your views on meditation. There are those who have Self realized without practice but that is extremely rare. A handful of beings among billions. If you know that you are the ground of being then that is your true identity.
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Feb 6, 2020 5:04:40 GMT
Post by krsnaraja on Feb 6, 2020 5:04:40 GMT
That's just not so. Do you deny that SR has occureed in those who have not meditated? And no, identification with the world is NOT replaced with 'identification' with awareness. That would make it a 'thing/concept' and it's not. Identification ends, period. You know I'm never going to agree with you about your views on meditation. There are those who have Self realized without practice but that is extremely rare. A handful of beings among billions. If you know that you are the ground of being then that is your true identity.Hi Satch if there's the ground of being knowing this is one's true identity maybe Figgles ID lies in heaven.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 5:05:27 GMT
The cessation of identification requires a realization...a seeing through...the one that illuminates the entire phenomenal world as appearance only. Yup. There's no doubt that the world definitely appears.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 5:09:52 GMT
You know I'm never going to agree with you about your views on meditation. There are those who have Self realized without practice but that is extremely rare. A handful of beings among billions. If you know that you are the ground of being then that is your true identity.Hi Satch if there's the ground of being knowing this is one's true identity maybe Figgles ID lies in heaven. She's just decided that identity is a bad word that doesn't fit with her non-dual philosophy even though she is displaying identification everytime she posts. 😀 This is why traditionally the teachings of Jnana and non-duality were kept under lock and key for fear that they would confuse the masses. Interestingly there are no such pitfalls with bhakti.
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Post by Enigma on Feb 6, 2020 14:04:18 GMT
One does not simply choose to 'stop identifying' with the world....there is much more to 'identification' with the phenomenal, than just a decision to not do it. The cessation of identification requires a realization...a seeing through...the one that illuminates the entire phenomenal world as appearance only. Only then does identification end. It seems like perhaps you are still not completely grasping what the term 'identification' means in these conversations. Yes and that realization can only come about by going back to the source, by practicing meditation. The way to stop identifying with the world is instead to identify with awareness. That will take care of it. Everything else is just mental concepts about identification. So now you're Mr. Awareness?
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Feb 6, 2020 21:08:05 GMT
Post by Figgles on Feb 6, 2020 21:08:05 GMT
Hi Satch if there's the ground of being knowing this is one's true identity maybe Figgles ID lies in heaven. She's just decided that identity is a bad word that doesn't fit with her non-dual philosophy even though she is displaying identification everytime she posts. 😀 This is why traditionally the teachings of Jnana and non-duality were kept under lock and key for fear that they would confuse the masses. Interestingly there are no such pitfalls with bhakti. That's like saying those who say there is no separation have just decided that separation is a bad word. I am trying to point away from all concepts, all things when I say, identification ends. Identification requires a some-thing to identify with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 1:49:41 GMT
She's just decided that identity is a bad word that doesn't fit with her non-dual philosophy even though she is displaying identification everytime she posts. 😀 This is why traditionally the teachings of Jnana and non-duality were kept under lock and key for fear that they would confuse the masses. Interestingly there are no such pitfalls with bhakti. That's like saying those who say there is no separation have just decided that separation is a bad word. I am trying to point away from all concepts, all things when I say, identification ends. Identification requires a some-thing to identify with. You are identifying as someone trying to point away from all concepts. Isn't that obvious? If you want to do some pointing in a public forum that's fine with me. Someone reading it might get something out of it. I don't know.
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Post by Enigma on Feb 7, 2020 2:44:23 GMT
That's like saying those who say there is no separation have just decided that separation is a bad word. I am trying to point away from all concepts, all things when I say, identification ends. Identification requires a some-thing to identify with. You are identifying as someone trying to point away from all concepts. Isn't that obvious? If you want to do some pointing in a public forum that's fine with me. Someone reading it might get something out of it. I don't know. Not as obvious as you identifying as someone who meditated his way to enlightenment and now believes it's the only way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 2:47:45 GMT
You are identifying as someone trying to point away from all concepts. Isn't that obvious? If you want to do some pointing in a public forum that's fine with me. Someone reading it might get something out of it. I don't know. Not as obvious as you identifying as someone who meditated his way to enlightenment and now believes it's the only way. The solution for you is to stop worrying about identifying and denying your individuality. Then all will be well. 😀
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