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Post by muttley on May 18, 2019 1:21:37 GMT
But, have you ever met someone whose mind is so noisy that it seems that they keep talking because they have a subconscious fear of silence? Yes, but as long as it's subconscious the mind games will continue. Practicing the mind games is unnecessary. Yes, it's a game, but isn't every people peep always playing some version of it to some degree? The theory goes that if you get them to calm down enough, they might take notice of the existential question .. 'cause, well, for Joe C. T. .. it's just like .. not a thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 1:32:12 GMT
No, he's talking about "control" . First, notice what is trying to control what. That would be a step toward becoming conscious. But, have you ever met someone whose mind is so noisy that it seems that they keep talking because they have a subconscious fear of silence? I would say most people are like that.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 1:37:42 GMT
But, have you ever met someone whose mind is so noisy that it seems that they keep talking because they have a subconscious fear of silence? Yes, but as long as it's subconscious the mind games will continue. Practicing the mind games is unnecessary. An experienced meditator would look at your statement and conclude it was you who had the split mind and would suggest you might benefit from practice in order to get rid of it.
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Post by muttley on May 18, 2019 1:54:34 GMT
But, have you ever met someone whose mind is so noisy that it seems that they keep talking because they have a subconscious fear of silence? I would say most people are like that. In my experience, the noise is a matter of degree. Beyond that, this issue of the fear of silence has some nuance to it.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 3:50:26 GMT
Sounds good on paper, but in actuality it's a split mind ego battle that the conscious mind is not equipped to win. To denigrate spiritual practice in a public forum about spirituality, I find to be quite irresponsible of you. You have no knowledge to make such a claim. It's not denigration, you have to observe carefully here, 'to make up your mind', 'you need to stabilize yourself in meditation', anything you do to attain something is a conscious effort, It's futile. The one who creates the thoughts continue to create these kind of controlling thoughts as long as one is illusion. You create and you experience. But knowing is the key which helps you start creating differently. If something has to happen, that's only out of clarity(Knowing), it's not through any of your effort.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 3:51:55 GMT
To denigrate spiritual practice in a public forum about spirituality, I find to be quite irresponsible of you. You have no knowledge to make such a claim. I watch unconscious ego have it's way on these forums and elsewhere on a daily basis. Peeps think they are in control of ego, or at least that they can see what it is doing. Not so. That's why I recommend the 'practice' of becoming conscious. I'm not against practice, I'm against self delusion. Not even an inch is allowed. NO practice, Perhaps one can realize the illusion of practice, not the other way around. Nothing will be reached.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 3:53:22 GMT
You mean like what Nisargadatta said on paper? No, he's talking about "control" . First, notice what is trying to control what. That would be a step toward becoming conscious. Exactly.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 3:55:17 GMT
No, he's talking about "control" . First, notice what is trying to control what. That would be a step toward becoming conscious. What? Are you trying to be clever? You're introducing a level of complexity that just isn't there. "Abide in the quietude" Niz says. What could be simpler. What is it you need to think about here. Notice what is trying to control what? Unnecessary! Abide in the quitetude and that question won't arise. You seem to go out of your way to make an enigma of the most simple practice. Amazing! No, you are not paying attention here.
That's an act from you, So illusion is definitely behind this act.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 3:56:56 GMT
Yes, but as long as it's subconscious the mind games will continue. Practicing the mind games is unnecessary. An experienced meditator would look at your statement and conclude it was you who had the split mind and would suggest you might benefit from practice in order to get rid of it. There is only one consciousness which creates and perceives, but you are the witness, not the creator. Problem starts when you put yourself into this creator mode.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 3:57:02 GMT
To denigrate spiritual practice in a public forum about spirituality, I find to be quite irresponsible of you. You have no knowledge to make such a claim. It's not denigration, you have to observe carefully here, 'to make up your mind', 'you need to stabilize yourself in meditation', anything you do to attain something is a conscious effort, It's futile. The one who creates the thoughts continue to create these kind of controlling thoughts as long as one is illusion. You create and you experience. But knowing is the key which helps you start creating differently. If something has to happen, that's only out of clarity(Knowing), it's not through any of your effort. I cannot take you seriously because you know nothing about practice which has been at the core of these traditions for centuries. I cannot even engage with you when you make a comment like this.
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