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Post by muttley on May 16, 2019 18:16:21 GMT
Ah, yes, of course, "mind gets out of the way" carries the potential implication of mind-as-mover, but you're right, that's not what I meant.
Regardless of how we describe those circumstances .. "sincerity", "surrender", "grace" or whatever, it seems to me that we haven't really dispelled the mystery. And, nothin' ever makes source do nuthin'. Perhaps not. You might remember me saying God can never be trapped within his own dream because if God wants to wake up, God wakes up. So, what would make God want to wake up? Wouldn't this be the catalyst of sincerity and surrender? So we just gotta' tell the old dude up in the sky to get the lead out.
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Post by Figgles on May 16, 2019 21:02:03 GMT
Perhaps we can say it’s misconceived but not misfelt. Perhaps we could. I've been considering saying something about how feeling is the language of God, but for now I'll just gesture wildly toward the shrubbery.
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Post by Enigma on May 17, 2019 0:40:44 GMT
Sounds good on paper, but in actuality it's a split mind ego battle that the conscious mind is not equipped to win. To denigrate spiritual practice in a public forum about spirituality, I find to be quite irresponsible of you. You have no knowledge to make such a claim. I watch unconscious ego have it's way on these forums and elsewhere on a daily basis. Peeps think they are in control of ego, or at least that they can see what it is doing. Not so. That's why I recommend the 'practice' of becoming conscious. I'm not against practice, I'm against self delusion.
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Post by Enigma on May 17, 2019 0:45:26 GMT
Perhaps we could. I've been considering saying something about how feeling is the language of God, but for now I'll just gesture wildly toward the shrubbery. Oops! I hope that wasn't one of your favorites.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 1:47:52 GMT
To denigrate spiritual practice in a public forum about spirituality, I find to be quite irresponsible of you. You have no knowledge to make such a claim. I watch unconscious ego have it's way on these forums and elsewhere on a daily basis. Peeps think they are in control of ego, or at least that they can see what it is doing. Not so. That's why I recommend the 'practice' of becoming conscious. I'm not against practice, I'm against self delusion. You mean like what Nisargadatta said on paper?
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Post by Enigma on May 17, 2019 14:17:17 GMT
I watch unconscious ego have it's way on these forums and elsewhere on a daily basis. Peeps think they are in control of ego, or at least that they can see what it is doing. Not so. That's why I recommend the 'practice' of becoming conscious. I'm not against practice, I'm against self delusion. You mean like what Nisargadatta said on paper? No, he's talking about "control" . First, notice what is trying to control what. That would be a step toward becoming conscious.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 16:41:23 GMT
You mean like what Nisargadatta said on paper? No, he's talking about "control" . First, notice what is trying to control what. That would be a step toward becoming conscious. What? Are you trying to be clever? You're introducing a level of complexity that just isn't there. "Abide in the quietude" Niz says. What could be simpler. What is it you need to think about here. Notice what is trying to control what? Unnecessary! Abide in the quitetude and that question won't arise. You seem to go out of your way to make an enigma of the most simple practice. Amazing!
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Post by muttley on May 17, 2019 22:45:44 GMT
You mean like what Nisargadatta said on paper? No, he's talking about "control" . First, notice what is trying to control what. That would be a step toward becoming conscious. But, have you ever met someone whose mind is so noisy that it seems that they keep talking because they have a subconscious fear of silence?
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Post by Enigma on May 18, 2019 0:44:58 GMT
No, he's talking about "control" . First, notice what is trying to control what. That would be a step toward becoming conscious. What? Are you trying to be clever? You're introducing a level of complexity that just isn't there. "Abide in the quietude" Niz says. What could be simpler. What is it you need to think about here. Notice what is trying to control what? Unnecessary! Abide in the quitetude and that question won't arise. You seem to go out of your way to make an enigma of the most simple practice. Amazing! This is another ego mind game; Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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Post by Enigma on May 18, 2019 0:48:01 GMT
No, he's talking about "control" . First, notice what is trying to control what. That would be a step toward becoming conscious. But, have you ever met someone whose mind is so noisy that it seems that they keep talking because they have a subconscious fear of silence? Yes, but as long as it's subconscious the mind games will continue. Practicing the mind games is unnecessary.
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