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Post by Figgles on Mar 4, 2019 22:35:54 GMT
[/div] Absolutely. I watched a few of the videos in that link you provided where women were kissing Mooji's feet and clearly making him the object of their devotion...very disturbing...particularly how he just sat there and seemed to allow it...even revel in it.....not once that I could see, admonishing them to beware of the pitfalls of worshiping the apparent messenger vs. embracing the message itself.
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Post by muttley on Mar 5, 2019 3:52:38 GMT
Absolutely. I watched a few of the videos in that link you provided where women were kissing Mooji's feet and clearly making him the object of their devotion...very disturbing...particularly how he just sat there and seemed to allow it...even revel in it.....not once that I could see, admonishing them to beware of the pitfalls of worshiping the apparent messenger vs. embracing the message itself.
Yeah, I'm with ya' on that. But I do seem to remember some Mooji vids where he was pretty clear in his pointing though, and Mooji was a bonus over Rupert 'cause he put some feeling into it. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 5, 2019 16:10:19 GMT
Absolutely. I watched a few of the videos in that link you provided where women were kissing Mooji's feet and clearly making him the object of their devotion...very disturbing...particularly how he just sat there and seemed to allow it...even revel in it.....not once that I could see, admonishing them to beware of the pitfalls of worshiping the apparent messenger vs. embracing the message itself.
Yeah, I'm with ya' on that. But I do seem to remember some Mooji vids where he was pretty clear in his pointing though, and Mooji was a bonus over Rupert 'cause he put some feeling into it. Yeah, me too. And agreed, lots of feeling...perhaps that's the bit that helped to get his footsies looking so darned attractive to those ladies...?  |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 5, 2019 16:26:46 GMT
Yeah. If it's for anything other than making it easier for folks in the back to see and hear, then it is indeed questionable. It's one thing to 'elevate' the message (pointing) but quite another to elevate (make special) the 'messenger.'
Yeah. There's a difference between someone abusing their position of power to take advantage of a situation vs. engaging in enjoyable relations with others whom they find attractive. It does seem that some want their gurus to be 'asexual,' which itself indicates an unnatural 'elevation' of the messenger.
Those in a power situation such as this though, do have a responsibility imo not to abuse it. (not saying that's actually what's happening or not...would have to look into things more).
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Post by Figgles on Mar 5, 2019 16:35:09 GMT
No doubt about it, sexual relationships because they often result in longing and yearning can serve as powerful teaching tools for attachment, however, if one is aware that they are entering into such a relationship with one who is not yet free from longing/yearning/attachment, seems like a pretty shitty thing to do. And if he constantly feels compelled to enter into such relationships that end in hurtful feelings on the part of the other because they thought it was something more than what it was, it begs the question, is the one entering into such relationships perhaps playing out some of his own attachments?  Good term. But yeah, there's a good reason teacher/student sexual relationships are generally frowned upon. There's an imbalance of power. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 5, 2019 16:56:00 GMT
I absolutely get not becoming a devotee or follower of anyone...and ultimately, yes, the focus should be on the teachings, the pointer and not the teacher, however, it is because SR does correlate with important shifts in behavior, experience, way of being, that there is a degree of focus upon and expectation that walk will align with talk.
One who talks about non-attachment but then who rants and raves and has temper tantrums when things don't go his way, is going to arouse suspicion that perhaps his supposed realization is more of a conceptual understanding only...that actual transcendence of attachment has not yet happened.
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Post by Enigma on Mar 5, 2019 23:44:35 GMT
Absolutely. I watched a few of the videos in that link you provided where women were kissing Mooji's feet and clearly making him the object of their devotion...very disturbing...particularly how he just sat there and seemed to allow it...even revel in it.....not once that I could see, admonishing them to beware of the pitfalls of worshiping the apparent messenger vs. embracing the message itself.
Yeah, I'm with ya' on that. But I do seem to remember some Mooji vids where he was pretty clear in his pointing though, and Mooji was a bonus over Rupert 'cause he put some feeling into it.Agree with that. I've enjoyed his videos for years, and can't say I've ever seen anything quite like the videos in the link. Is this all since he started the Ashram? Also not hearing anything from Mooji in the videos. It was all devotees doing the cool aid thing. |
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Post by muttley on Mar 6, 2019 2:10:38 GMT
Yeah, I'm with ya' on that. But I do seem to remember some Mooji vids where he was pretty clear in his pointing though, and Mooji was a bonus over Rupert 'cause he put some feeling into it. Yeah, me too. And agreed, lots of feeling...perhaps that's the bit that helped to get his footsies looking so darned attractive to those ladies...?
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Post by muttley on Mar 6, 2019 2:14:01 GMT
Yeah, I'm with ya' on that. But I do seem to remember some Mooji vids where he was pretty clear in his pointing though, and Mooji was a bonus over Rupert 'cause he put some feeling into it.Agree with that. I've enjoyed his videos for years, and can't say I've ever seen anything quite like the videos in the link. Is this all since he started the Ashram? Also not hearing anything from Mooji in the videos. It was all devotees doing the cool aid thing. Dunno', never really followed his story all that close, just liked some of his talks.  |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 6, 2019 5:08:42 GMT
Yeah, me too. And agreed, lots of feeling...perhaps that's the bit that helped to get his footsies looking so darned attractive to those ladies...? Oh my gawd!...what a lovely shade of blue...... ![]() |
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Good term. 
