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Post by Figgles on Nov 10, 2018 20:37:21 GMT
I really like how the difference between the two is summed up here:
I very much agree. If it has a definite beginning and end, if you can describe 'an experience,' It's NOT a realization but rather, a Cosmic/mystical experience. Not without value, but NOT transcendent of experience, because, it IS itself an experience.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 10, 2018 20:57:23 GMT
I have had numerous Cosmic Consciousness experiences, OBE's, mystical experiences where the 'me' seemingly dissolved into a sea of love, and for a time I actually did regard these experiences themselves to be "Truth," as in their wake they left such a deep sense of reverence and awe, however, there is a realization that transcends any and all experiences, however awe inspiring they may be, and once that illumination happens, even the most beautiful, transcendent seeming of experiences are understood to be inherently empty.
This realization in particular, of the inherent emptiness of even the most beautific of experiences one could ever have, is one, that if there's a remnant of 'the person' still hanging, has the propensity to leave a sense of deep emotional depression even terror, in it's wake.
There's a reason why folks want so desperately to make those beautiful, awe inspiring, mystical, magical experiences something more than 'just' an experience. They quite literally are using that one exception re: experiential content to keep themselves from having to fully see and acknowledge the utter and complete 'emptiness' of all of this.
In edging up even a little bit close to that seeing in it's totality, The residual 'person' will interpret that as 'no hope, no light, the end.' Whereas, the view from (S)elf, has none of those personal judgements attached...thus, none of the depression, fear.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 10, 2018 22:20:56 GMT
Careful ZD, your ego's underpants are showing...& they're kinda dirty. Seriously, this is a good example of how folks get attached to their CC's and realizations...and why talk about the specific dates, times, how's, why's, should take a back-shelf. The very idea of counting because "more is better" is just plain silly and reveals that 'a person' is still very much involved. While perhaps not common, for some, One all encompassing realization of Self takes care of the whole ball of wax.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2018 0:00:48 GMT
Wow. Came across the following quote of Reefs from a ways back. Clearly, It's from his "pre-I'm in love with Kensho" period. Eggzacktly! Hell yeah! You were seeing clearly then, what the heck happened? Must have been a conceptual grasp, only. spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/138283
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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2018 0:07:20 GMT
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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2018 0:16:34 GMT
Yes, Reefs, here and now it where it's at. Being conscious, being present. Apply what you say there to your ideas about a moon that continues to exist when you are not actually looking at it.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2018 0:20:59 GMT
Great advice. All experiences, even those that are awe-inspiring, happen in time.
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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2018 0:25:38 GMT
WTF? And now you are touting and upholding Segal's experience as as a perfect example of CC/Kensho experience/realization?
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Post by Figgles on Nov 11, 2018 0:33:27 GMT
...and yet you go on now as though the term 'appearance' is some new term to you?
Can you see that just as the volition can be seen to be an appearance only, it continues to be engaged with, and that that engagement does not mean that the realization that volition is not actual, but just an appearance, has no value, no impact upon day to day to life...?....that the realization does very much have an impact, even though 'engagement' with the appearance of volition continues?
Can you see then how it is possible to see 'aliveness/sentience/etc' as just an appearance, empty and that, and yet still continue to engage it, and that doing so, does not mean that the realization has no actual impact...?
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Post by Figgles on Nov 12, 2018 2:52:08 GMT
Wow...that was 2013. Quite a divergence from where you now stand. 'Unicorn land' indeed.
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