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Post by Figgles on May 19, 2018 3:42:15 GMT
Not much....lol...in fact, we could say, F - all!  Came across this Adyanshanti quote today....addresses this absence of knowledge nicely...love how he says, 'when you look deeply into this question, it actually destroys your world.' Perfect.... “This one question -- "What do I know for certain?"-- is tremendously powerful. When you look deeply into this question, it actually destroys your world. It destroys your whole sense of self, and it's meant to. You come to see that everything you think you know about yourself, everything you think you know about the world, is based on assumptions, beliefs, and opinions-- things you believe because you were taught or told that they were true. Until we start to see these false perceptions for what they really are, consciousness will be imprisoned within the dream state.” ― Adyashanti, The End of Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk on the Nature of Enlightenment |
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Post by Figgles on May 19, 2018 3:43:42 GMT
“Again, the only way to know that we’ve seen into the true nature of something is that the story we’re telling ourselves releases.”
― Adyashanti, The End of Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk on the Nature of Enlightenment
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 4:00:00 GMT
Not much....lol...in fact, we could say, F - all! Came across this Adyanshanti quote today....addresses this absence of knowledge nicely...love how he says, 'when you look deeply into this question, it actually destroys your world.' Perfect.... “This one question -- "What do I know for certain?"-- is tremendously powerful. When you look deeply into this question, it actually destroys your world. It destroys your whole sense of self, and it's meant to. You come to see that everything you think you know about yourself, everything you think you know about the world, is based on assumptions, beliefs, and opinions-- things you believe because you were taught or told that they were true. Until we start to see these false perceptions for what they really are, consciousness will be imprisoned within the dream state.” ― Adyashanti, The End of Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk on the Nature of Enlightenment I agree here, but If someone is clear in understanding, then they can understand conceptually but that doesn't inform mind. Infact, it informs the mind to certain level but that doesn't make any big difference. Direct seeing of universe is what creates the change in us. |
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Post by Figgles on May 19, 2018 4:01:29 GMT
Not much....lol...in fact, we could say, F - all! Came across this Adyanshanti quote today....addresses this absence of knowledge nicely...love how he says, 'when you look deeply into this question, it actually destroys your world.' Perfect.... “This one question -- "What do I know for certain?"-- is tremendously powerful. When you look deeply into this question, it actually destroys your world. It destroys your whole sense of self, and it's meant to. You come to see that everything you think you know about yourself, everything you think you know about the world, is based on assumptions, beliefs, and opinions-- things you believe because you were taught or told that they were true. Until we start to see these false perceptions for what they really are, consciousness will be imprisoned within the dream state.” ― Adyashanti, The End of Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk on the Nature of Enlightenment I agree here, but If someone is clear in understanding, then they can understand conceptually but that doesn't inform mind. Infact, it informs the mind to certain level but that doesn't make any big difference. Direct seeing of universe is what creates the change in us. yeah, agreed. A conceptual understanding is NOT realization. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 4:05:32 GMT
I agree here, but If someone is clear in understanding, then they can understand conceptually but that doesn't inform mind. Infact, it informs the mind to certain level but that doesn't make any big difference. Direct seeing of universe is what creates the change in us. yeah, agreed. A conceptual understanding is NOT realization. But what Adyashanti asked us to do would lead the path to reach conceptual understanding. I had such a clear understanding many in my life but nothing changes my life, only when I observe the way it creates, it changes but this observing wouldn't happen whenever I wish, this suddenly becomes clear. For an example, even a little momentum to destroy something from our experience or to improve or to achieve, no matter how little it is, it is still an ongoing journey, journy which we need travel forever. This kind of 'informing the mind clearly' comes through direct seeing. May be sometime they might be informed with who they really are but that puts them into other illusion. |
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Post by Figgles on May 19, 2018 4:16:01 GMT
yeah, agreed. A conceptual understanding is NOT realization. I had such a clear understanding many in my life but nothing changes my life, only when I observe the way it creates, it changes but this observing wouldn't happen whenever I wish, this suddenly becomes clear. For an example, even a little momentum to destroy something from our experience or to improve or to achieve, no matter how little it is, it is still an ongoing journey, journy which we need travel forever. This kind of 'informing the mind clearly' comes through direct seeing. May be sometime they might be informed with who they really are but that puts them into other illusion. I'd say if one is actually interested, truly and sincerely, in looking at what can be known, honestly and unabashedly, absent fear, absent agenda, other than to see clearly, he's already beyond the realm of mere conceptual understanding. I've recently read snippets from his new book (the End of your world - Adyashanti) and when he speaks about awakening, he is definitely not talking about a mere conceptual grasp upon 'no separation'...he's talking the real deal...actual awakening to the Truth of Just One thingless thing. The seeing that you know nothing for certain beyond existence itself, puts one in a very auspicious position. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 5:05:15 GMT
But what Adyashanti asked us to do would lead the path to reach conceptual understanding. I had such a clear understanding many in my life but nothing changes my life, only when I observe the way it creates, it changes but this observing wouldn't happen whenever I wish, this suddenly becomes clear. For an example, even a little momentum to destroy something from our experience or to improve or to achieve, no matter how little it is, it is still an ongoing journey, journy which we need travel forever. This kind of 'informing the mind clearly' comes through direct seeing. May be sometime they might be informed with who they really are but that puts them into other illusion. I'd say if one is actually interested, truly and sincerely, in looking at what can be known, honestly and unabashedly, absent fear, absent agenda, other than to see clearly, he's already beyond the realm of mere conceptual understanding. I've recently read snippets from his new book (the End of your world - Adyashanti) and when he speaks about awakening, he is definitely not talking about a mere conceptual grasp upon 'no separation'...he's talking the real deal...actual awakening to the Truth of Just One thingless thing. The seeing that you know nothing for certain beyond existence itself, puts one in a very auspicious position. I am seeing reading the book after book is an illusion, I had done in the past ! Our mind is seeking something in it, but once it's informed, that too is part of the creation, it would stop doing it.
No matter how sincere you are, that question still lead you to analyze with your mind and it would reach the correct conclusion if understanding power is strong enough.
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Post by Figgles on May 19, 2018 5:12:19 GMT
I'd say if one is actually interested, truly and sincerely, in looking at what can be known, honestly and unabashedly, absent fear, absent agenda, other than to see clearly, he's already beyond the realm of mere conceptual understanding. I've recently read snippets from his new book (the End of your world - Adyashanti) and when he speaks about awakening, he is definitely not talking about a mere conceptual grasp upon 'no separation'...he's talking the real deal...actual awakening to the Truth of Just One thingless thing. The seeing that you know nothing for certain beyond existence itself, puts one in a very auspicious position. I am seeing reading the book after book is an illusion, I had done in the past ! Our mind is seeking something in it, but once it's informed, that too is part of the creation, it would stop doing it.
No matter how sincere you are, that question still lead you to analyze with your mind and it would reach the correct conclusion if understanding power is strong enough.
Yeah....No doubt, there's definitely a time to put the books away...where, more accurately, the interest in reading books on spirituality to learn or see something new, just goes away....if there's no longer any sense of seeking for something in play, then why would the interest be there, right? I think what may start out as an intellectual exercise, always has the propensity to become something more...something deeper. Just the way it goes sometimes. And that is not to say that the intellectual exercise itself, is a cause or a catalyst...just part and parcel of the greater movement towards clarity. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 5:22:00 GMT
I am seeing reading the book after book is an illusion, I had done in the past ! Our mind is seeking something in it, but once it's informed, that too is part of the creation, it would stop doing it.
No matter how sincere you are, that question still lead you to analyze with your mind and it would reach the correct conclusion if understanding power is strong enough.
Yeah....No doubt, there's definitely a time to put the books away...where, more accurately, the interest in reading books on spirituality to learn or see something new, just goes away... .if there's no longer any sense of seeking for something in play, then why would the interest be there, right?I think what may start out as an intellectual exercise, always has the propensity to become something more...something deeper. Just the way it goes sometimes. And that is not to say that the intellectual exercise itself, is a cause or a catalyst...just part and parcel of the greater movement towards clarity. Yes. In my case, I read a book and then I loose the interest, and then after a time duration, I would be inspired by another book, then I go on to read and then I loose interest and then another one. This continued to happen until I see this pattern, now none of the book has the power to inspire me to read it.
Understanding no matter how slight the propensity to become something other than what we are now releases from it. Sometime, it may be subconscious, that means we usually don't pay attention to it, so it continue to happen unconsciously until oneday we stumble on it.
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Post by Figgles on May 19, 2018 15:36:35 GMT
Yeah....No doubt, there's definitely a time to put the books away...where, more accurately, the interest in reading books on spirituality to learn or see something new, just goes away... .if there's no longer any sense of seeking for something in play, then why would the interest be there, right?I think what may start out as an intellectual exercise, always has the propensity to become something more...something deeper. Just the way it goes sometimes. And that is not to say that the intellectual exercise itself, is a cause or a catalyst...just part and parcel of the greater movement towards clarity. Yes. In my case, I read a book and then I loose the interest, and then after a time duration, I would be inspired by another book, then I go on to read and then I loose interest and then another one. This continued to happen until I see this pattern, now none of the book has the power to inspire me to read it.
Understanding no matter how slight the propensity to become something other than what we are now releases from it. Sometime, it may be subconscious, that means we usually don't pay attention to it, so it continue to happen unconsciously until oneday we stumble on it.
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