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Post by mike3405 on May 17, 2018 23:42:30 GMT
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Post by muttley on May 18, 2018 2:05:11 GMT
Strikes me as similar to Tolle's advice (that I know isn't original to him) to "pay attention to the space between thoughts". While I've never practiced Zen, they have a cool saying .. "beginner's mind".  There's a forum that revolves around Tolle's books, and on it my sig was "Stop talking. Hear every sound as background. Look straight ahead and focus. Take one deep breath. This is you. This is Now."
Thanks for naming the sutra ... I'd never heard of it. But still, over the years, when it made sense to write it in the context of a thread, I'd express the idea that realization is always only ever one good deep breath away, for anyone, at anytime. And more than one of the denizens of this joint has given me shit about it.  |
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Post by mike3405 on May 18, 2018 18:14:25 GMT
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Post by muttley on May 18, 2018 20:40:25 GMT
Have you ever read "Zen Flesh, Zen Bones"? At the end of it is a reproduction of an ancient Indian text called "Centering". It's like a long poem, similar to what I've seen some of the Upanishads read like. Same gist, as well.
Culture constantly shifts. A clear ear can hear the same truth in all sorts of different tunes.
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Post by mike3405 on May 19, 2018 1:44:34 GMT
Nope, never read that one. My favourite books on zen: 'The Recorded Sayings of Zen Master Joshu' and 'Zen Teaching Of Huang-Po: On The Transmission Of Mind'.
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Post by muttley on May 20, 2018 4:16:54 GMT
Nope, never read that one. My favourite books on zen: 'The Recorded Sayings of Zen Master Joshu' and 'Zen Teaching Of Huang-Po: On The Transmission Of Mind'. Either Advaita or Zen, so many centuries of culture ... one could devote their whole life as a scholar of even just a fraction of one of them. And that's not even to mention all the historical subconscious undercurrents in the West. The truth is entirely irrepressible, so simple in it's commonality, and also, so sublime, in it's endless diversity of expression. |
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Post by mike3405 on May 20, 2018 19:20:54 GMT
Gotta add Kashmir Shaivism in there as well - the three means or upayas pretty much sums up all the teachings out there. Sambhavopaya: "drop conceptual thought in a flash". Saktopaya: 'Continuous centering between two actions without action'. Anavopaya: using aids like breathing, sensory organs, contemplation, concentration on a particular spot. The truth is irrepressible because, at its essence, it's closer than one's hand.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 19:28:44 GMT
Gotta add Kashmir Shaivism in there as well - the three means or upayas pretty much sums up all the teachings out there. Sambhavopaya: "drop conceptual thought in a flash". Saktopaya: 'Continuous centering between two actions without action'. Anavopaya: using aids like breathing, sensory organs, contemplation, concentration on a particular spot. The truth is irrepressible because, at its essence, it's closer than one's hand. When you reply to a particular comment please click the quote button an then write your answer so that other person will be notified |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 7:37:37 GMT
Strikes me as similar to Tolle's advice (that I know isn't original to him) to "pay attention to the space between thoughts". While I've never practiced Zen, they have a cool saying .. "beginner's mind". There's a forum that revolves around Tolle's books, and on it my sig was "Stop talking. Hear every sound as background. Look straight ahead and focus. Take one deep breath. This is you. This is Now."
Thanks for naming the sutra ... I'd never heard of it. But still, over the years, when it made sense to write it in the context of a thread, I'd express the idea that realization is always only ever one good deep breath away, for anyone, at anytime. And more than one of the denizens of this joint has given me shit about it. What are you talking about? It's not as far as one breath away. It's here. |
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Post by muttley on May 21, 2018 8:18:17 GMT
Strikes me as similar to Tolle's advice (that I know isn't original to him) to "pay attention to the space between thoughts". While I've never practiced Zen, they have a cool saying .. "beginner's mind". There's a forum that revolves around Tolle's books, and on it my sig was "Stop talking. Hear every sound as background. Look straight ahead and focus. Take one deep breath. This is you. This is Now."
Thanks for naming the sutra ... I'd never heard of it. But still, over the years, when it made sense to write it in the context of a thread, I'd express the idea that realization is always only ever one good deep breath away, for anyone, at anytime. And more than one of the denizens of this joint has given me shit about it. What are you talking about? It's not as far as one breath away. It's here. Yes, but it seems otherwise to the unrealized, and that's the context of the idea. |
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There's a forum that revolves around Tolle's books, and on it my sig was "Stop talking. Hear every sound as background. Look straight ahead and focus. Take one deep breath. This is you. This is Now." 